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From: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@aitel.hist.no>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
Cc: Lars Roland <lroland@gmail.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable?
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:02:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041026210243.GA27123@hh.idb.hist.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <417D32F0.20100@techsource.com>

On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 01:08:00PM -0400, Timothy Miller wrote:
> 
> 
> Lars Roland wrote:
> 
> >
> >For my own part I can tell you, that a dual head dvi card is high on
> >my wish list (if it can run 1200*1600 on each head), if you can make
> >one with Linux support, then I would be happy to pay 200-300$ for it,
> >even if it did not have the best 3D support (just enough power for
> >future xorg/enlightenment effect and I am happy).
> >
> >
> 
> I expect that we will offer a multi-head model.

Great!

Will this be a card with two pci id's, and two
fully independent graphichs accelerators?

That is necessary for two-user setups.  A single-user
setup with xinerama use a single xserver process that
can deal with hardware dependencies.  A two-user
setup use two xserver processes that doesn��'t cooperate
at all.  One basically doesn�'t know that the other exists,
so it cannot know what register the other process messes
with and so on.  A dual processor machine might even
mean that both servers runs simultaneosuly - so
there cannot be dependencies.  Also, an xserver likes
to reserve a pci ID for itself, so life gets much
easier if the card has two pci ids - i.e. two
graphichs cards on a single circuit board.

Of course I am willing to pay twice the single-card
price for such a card that has two of every chip
(except for the shared bus interface circuits).

I hope such a design won't be too much extra work,
basically you design the single-card accelerator FPGA
and other supporting chips
and stuff two of everything on the same PCB.

Note that this  "double" card improves performance for
the more common case of one user with two screens too. :-)

Helge Hafting





  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-26 20:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 165+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-20 22:02 Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 22:17 ` Andre Eisenbach
2004-10-21  1:31   ` Jon Valvatne
2004-10-21 16:09     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 19:47     ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-20 22:19 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-24  8:24   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-24 14:26     ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-10-20 22:26 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? David Lang
2004-10-21 14:46   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:25     ` David Lang
2004-10-21 18:15       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 18:32         ` Antonio Vargas
2004-10-22  9:53       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-24  9:03       ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25  1:33         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  1:48           ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  2:29           ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-22 10:16     ` Christian Leber
2004-10-22 17:31       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:05     ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-22 17:12     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26  2:36     ` Dave Airlie
2004-10-26  3:55       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-20 22:28 ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-21 14:51   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 22:03     ` Jim Nelson
2004-10-20 22:29 ` Kasper Sandberg
2004-10-21 14:53   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:06     ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 18:00       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-20 23:10 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 15:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:25     ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 18:03       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:32     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22 17:15     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:08 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  1:11   ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21  2:00     ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 16:08       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:34         ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-21 23:38           ` Jan Knutar
2004-10-22  4:30             ` Jan Rychter
2004-10-22 17:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:00               ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 18:47               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:22                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 19:33                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:56                     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:43                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 20:27                         ` Alan Cox
2004-10-23 17:20                           ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-23 21:17                             ` Alan Cox
2004-10-24  0:06                               ` Francois Romieu
2004-10-22 20:51                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-22 19:32                 ` Roland Dreier
2004-10-24 10:40               ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:39                 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:57         ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-22  9:48         ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 20:23       ` "Fernando O. Korndörfer"
2004-10-22  9:02       ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-10-21 15:13   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:36     ` Shaun Kruger
2004-10-21 18:05       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 19:30   ` Kendall Bennett
2004-10-22  8:49     ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-23 13:17         ` Adrian Cox
2004-10-22 20:10   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-22 22:07     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 10:45       ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-25 15:47         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-28  9:07           ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-29 16:00             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  1:48 ` HARDWARE:Graphics Cards or TOE? Nuno Silva
2004-10-26 20:50   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  2:29 ` HARDWARE: Open-Source-Friendly Graphics Cards -- Viable? Kurt Wall
2004-10-21 16:10   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 16:22     ` Pascal Patry
2004-10-21 12:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-21 13:14   ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-10-21 17:34     ` Jurriaan
2004-10-21 16:26   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:42     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-21 19:09       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 17:53 ` Tobias Diedrich
2004-10-21 23:02 ` Florian Schmidt
2004-10-24  1:04   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-22  1:08 ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23  5:40   ` Kevin Puetz
2004-10-23 17:02     ` Rene Herman
2004-10-23 22:19       ` Lee Revell
2004-10-24 11:10         ` Rene Herman
2004-10-22 10:57 ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-22 19:47   ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-22 20:15     ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-25 15:29   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 15:53     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 16:32       ` Giuliano Pochini
2004-10-28  9:37         ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-28 11:40           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 12:21           ` David Greaves
2004-10-29 16:04           ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 22:27 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2004-10-23 14:36 ` Markus   Törnqvist
2004-10-24  8:18 ` Tonnerre
2004-10-25 11:54 ` Stuart Longland
2004-10-25 16:38 ` Lars Roland
2004-10-25 17:08   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 21:02     ` Helge Hafting [this message]
2004-10-26 21:38       ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 22:52   ` Tonnerre
2004-10-20 23:48 Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  0:30 ` J.A. Magallon
2004-10-21  0:47   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 20:09   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-21  1:25 ` Zan Lynx
2004-10-21 15:52   ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21  4:48 Albert Cahalan
2004-10-21 16:19 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 15:54 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:09 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:32   ` Baruch Even
2004-10-25 23:30     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-21 17:08 Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22  2:18 ` Tim Connors
2004-10-21 17:44 John Ripley
2004-10-21 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 21:36   ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-21 22:40     ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-21 23:25       ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-21 23:40       ` Greg Buchholz
2004-10-22 16:48         ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 16:50           ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-22 17:41             ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-25 23:10             ` Tonnerre
2004-10-26  0:32     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-10-22 15:59   ` Troy Benjegerdes
2004-10-22  3:47 Roy Butler
2004-10-22 17:04 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-24 18:17   ` Mail Lists
2004-10-25 12:17     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-10-22 10:31 John Ripley
2004-10-22 12:58 ` Moritz Muehlenhoff
2004-10-22 17:33 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-22 17:15 Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23  4:45 ` Gene Heskett
2004-10-23  7:06   ` Stephen Lewis
2004-10-23 19:06 Bodo Eggert
2004-10-25  1:44 ` Stephen Wille Padnos
2004-10-25  8:23   ` Vojtech Pavlik
     [not found] <6.1.2.0.1.20041026082223.0231edd8@mail.javagear.com>
2004-10-26 15:44 ` Timothy Miller
2004-10-26 16:35   ` Jesper Juhl
2004-10-26 16:57     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26 21:14   ` Helge Hafting
2004-10-26 21:41     ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-17 14:35 Sid Boyce
2004-11-17 14:46 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-11-23 13:47 ` Karel Kulhavy
2004-11-23 22:48 ` Timothy Miller
2004-11-24  1:22   ` Sid Boyce

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