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From: Rutger Nijlunsing <rutger@nospam.com>
To: Paulo Marques <pmarques@grupopie.com>
Cc: "Pallipadi, Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@intel.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Add p4-clockmod driver in x86-64
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:38:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041027213807.GA9334@nospam.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <417FB7BA.9050005@grupopie.com>

On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 03:59:06PM +0100, Paulo Marques wrote:
> Pallipadi, Venkatesh wrote:
> >>....
> >Yes. Clock modulation is not as useful compared to enhanced speedstep.
> >But, 
> >I feel, it should be OK to have the driver, though it is not really
> >useful 
> >in common case. It may be useful in some exceptional cases. 
> 
> I think I have one of such cases.
> 
> I am one of the members of the robotic soccer team from the University 
> of Oporto, and a couple of months ago we were looking for new 
> motherboards for our robots, because we are starting to need new 
> hardware (on-board lan, usb2.0, etc.).
> 
> We really don't need excepcional performance, but we really, really need 
> low power consumption, so lowering the clock on a standard mainboard 
> seemed to be the best cost/performance scenario.
> 
> Could this driver be used to keep a standard p4 processor at say 25% 
> clock speed at all times?

Nope, p4-clockmod is completely useles. It doesn't slow down the CPU
frequency, it only executes 7000 tick some kind of 'hlt' / 'halt'
instruction out of 8000 ticks (for example, to get 12.5%) just like
Linux's idle routine.

So you've got the _disadvantages_ of a slow clock (programs run
slower), and not the _advantages_ (power consumption is same as idle
CPU and not lower, temperature is same as idle CPU and not lower).

But why does the P4 have such a mode? It uses this mode during thermal
throttling to get to the 'idle' temperature.

Therefore, p4-clockmod is completely misnamed: it's _not_ a cpufreq
driver in the sense that it does not change the frequency. The
documentation should be updated to reflect this (eventually).

In short: p4-clockmod can be emulated in software.

-- 
Rutger Nijlunsing ---------------------------- rutger ed tux tmfweb nl
never attribute to a conspiracy which can be explained by incompetence
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-27 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-27 14:43 Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2004-10-27 14:59 ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 15:56   ` Lee Revell
2004-10-27 16:14     ` Paulo Marques
2004-10-27 16:22       ` Alan Cox
2004-10-27 18:47         ` Marcus Metzler
2004-10-27 21:38   ` Rutger Nijlunsing [this message]
2004-10-27 21:50     ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28  0:17       ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-10-27 16:39 Pallipadi, Venkatesh
2004-10-26 21:28 Venkatesh Pallipadi
2004-10-27  3:18 ` Andi Kleen
2004-10-28  0:10 ` Andi Kleen

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