hi, tulip driver is not the only driver i'm having problems with (see "oops in tulip driver..." from a few weeks ago). our net connection is via pppoe, and either the kernel pppoe driver is randomly crashing to the point that i *have* to reboot. yes, it's modular, go figure. or it's the other ppp drivers. seems to be ppp, since the error messages i get from the kernel are pointing that way. i don't have the error output unfortunately, but it is on the list, from my first mention of the tulip driver being busted, i posted the oops output i got. i'll go try to find the relevant message. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110077095802656&w=4 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=110082052528028&w=4 the first one refers what i'm speaking of a bit. it happens when i'm bringing pppd down with poff, or when the other end of my ppp tunnel drops the connection. here's some more f what i managed to get: sig11 call trace: snmp6_unregistered_dev in6_dev_finish_destroy ip6_dst_destroy dst_destroy dst_ran_gc run_timer_softirq __do_softirq irq_exit timer_interrupt ret_from_interrupt then a message about PANIC: not syncing: Aiee, killing interrupt handler! sorry i don't have the various numbers that go with those above functions. is there a patch out there that can at least mitigate the problems i'm seeing? it's making for a very unstable environment to work in. (yes, i'm getting desperate. i'm even thinking of going back to 2.4). eric -- "I believe that part of what propels science is the thirst for wonder. It's a very powerful emotion. All children feel it. In a first grade classroom everybody feels it; in a twelfth grade classroom almost nobody feels it, or at least acknowledges it. Something happens between first and twelfth grade, and it's not just puberty. Not only do the schools and the media not teach much skepticism, there is also little encouragement of this stirring sense of wonder. Science and pseudoscience both arouse that feeling. Poor popularizations of science establish an ecological niche for pseudoscience." - Carl Sagan, The Burden Of Skepticism, The Skeptical Inquirer, Vol. 12, Fall 87