hello again, made an interesting discovery. i'm willing to bet that pppd is still unstable as hell, *but*, i've been able to work around the problems with ifconfig locking up the box or causing oopses by using the iproute utils. good incentive to work exclusively with those tools, at least for now ;). again, please CC: me. eric -- "... being a Linux user is sort of like living in a house inhabited by a large family of carpenters and architects. Every morning when you wake up, the house is a little different. Maybe there is a new turret, or some walls have moved. Or perhaps someone has temporarily removed the floor under your bed." - Unix for Dummies, 2nd Edition