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From: mcgrof@studorgs.rutgers.edu (Luis R. Rodriguez)
To: Steve Hill <steve@nexusuk.org>
Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@studorgs.rutgers.edu>,
	prism54-devel@prism54.org, prism54-users@prism54.org,
	Netdev <netdev@oss.sgi.com>,
	Jean Tourrilhes <jt@bougret.hpl.hp.com>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Prism54-users] Open hardware wireless cards
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 15:36:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050105203645.GO5159@ruslug.rutgers.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0501052017380.5818@rivendell.nexusuk.org>

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On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 08:22:10PM +0000, Steve Hill wrote:
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> On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> >What I think we probably will have to do is just work torwards seeing if
> >we can come up with our own open wireless hardware. I know there was
> >a recent thread on lkml about an open video card -- anyone know where
> >that ended up?
> 
> This may be a silly point, but there *was* good 802.11g hardware available 
> which worked well with the fully open drivers. 

Yes, that would be the Full MAC prism chipsets with the linux prism54 driver,
which I help maintain.

> I presume the 
> manufacturers are moving to the "softmac" design instead because (for 
> them) it is cheaper.

That is correct. They have already moved to the Softmac design and
you're lucky if you can buy FullMAC chipsets in stores now.

> However, the point is that the working designs are 
> already there and it may be that buying the existing design which is being 
> phased out is cheaper for the FOSS community than developing a whole new 
> open device.

Definitely, I agree. Anyone have an idea of how much buying a wireless
chipset design may cost?

> Maybe it would be possible to convince one of the manufacturers that it's 
> worth their while producing the older design hardware - if there is a 
> single manufacturer who is making more or less the only hardware that is 
> guaranteed to work under Linux there is probably quite a market for them.

I think they made the move because of economics as you mentioned
earlier. Under the current circumstances, I find it hard to be able to
Convince Conexant, for example, to start selling FullMAC chipsets again.

AFAICT the FullMAC chipsets have reached the END OF LIFE period.

	Luis

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-05 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20050105192447.GJ5159@ruslug.rutgers.edu>
2005-01-05 20:05 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2005-01-05 20:14   ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-01-05 20:48     ` linux-os
2005-01-05 21:35       ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-01-05 21:09     ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-01-08 20:47       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-01-09  9:59         ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-09 22:28           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-01-09 23:00           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05 20:17   ` Raphael Jacquot
2005-01-05 20:26     ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2005-01-06  8:02       ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-06 17:24         ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2005-01-06 17:37           ` Lee Revell
2005-01-06 17:38             ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2005-01-06 17:42               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-06 19:06                 ` Norbert van Nobelen
     [not found]                   ` <1105044024.15770.7.camel@krustophenia.net>
2005-01-06 20:51                     ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-06 17:59             ` Alan Cox
2005-01-06 20:25               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 10:37               ` Aaron Lehmann
2005-01-06 19:11           ` Raphael Jacquot
2005-01-06 19:32             ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-06 21:00               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-06 21:24                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-01-06 21:39                 ` Jim Nelson
2005-01-06 21:42                   ` Norbert van Nobelen
2005-01-08 11:58                   ` Paul Jakma
2005-01-06 21:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 20:22   ` [Prism54-users] " Steve Hill
2005-01-05 20:36     ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2005-01-05 22:19   ` christos gentsis
2005-04-19 19:07   ` Karel Kulhavy

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