From: Bill Huey (hui) <bhuey@lnxw.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>,
Rui Nuno Capela <rncbc@rncbc.org>, "K.R. Foley" <kr@cybsft.com>,
Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando@ccrma.stanford.edu>,
mark_h_johnson@raytheon.com, Amit Shah <amit.shah@codito.com>,
Karsten Wiese <annabellesgarden@yahoo.de>,
Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>, Adam Heath <doogie@debian.org>,
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linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Florian Schmidt <mista.tapas@gmx.net>,
Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
Shane Shrybman <shrybman@aei.ca>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Michal Schmidt <xschmi00@stud.feec.vutbr.cz>,
"Igor Manyilov (auriga)" <manyilov@lnxw.com>
Subject: Re: Real-time rw-locks (Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 15:25:33 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050128232533.GA7267@nietzsche.lynx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050128194546.GA348@elte.hu>
On Fri, Jan 28, 2005 at 08:45:46PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no> wrote:
> > If you do have a highest interrupt case that causes all activity to
> > block, then rwsems may indeed fit the bill.
> >
> > In the NFS client code we may use rwsems in order to protect stateful
> > operations against the (very infrequently used) server reboot recovery
> > code. The point is that when the server reboots, the server forces us
> > to block *all* requests that involve adding new state (e.g. opening an
> > NFSv4 file, or setting up a lock) while our client and others are
> > re-establishing their existing state on the server.
>
> it seems the most scalable solution for this would be a global flag plus
> per-CPU spinlocks (or per-CPU mutexes) to make this totally scalable and
> still support the requirements of this rare event. An rwsem really
> bounces around on SMP, and it seems very unnecessary in the case you
> described.
>
> possibly this could be formalised as an rwlock/rwlock implementation
> that scales better. brlocks were such an attempt.
>From how I understand it, you'll have to have a global structure to
denote an exclusive operation and then take some additional cpumask_t
representing the spinlocks set and use it to iterate over when doing a
PI chain operation.
Locking of each individual parametric typed spinlock might require
a raw_spinlock manipulate lists structures, which, added up, is rather
heavy weight.
No only that, you'd have to introduce a notion of it being counted
since it could also be aquired/preempted by another higher priority
thread on that same procesor. Not having this semantic would make the
thread in that specific circumstance effectively non-preemptable (PI
scheduler indeterminancy), where the mulipule readers portion of a
real read/write (shared-exclusve) lock would have permitted this.
http://people.lynuxworks.com/~bhuey/rt-share-exclusive-lock/rtsem.tgz.1208
Is our attempt at getting real shared-exclusive lock semantics in a
blocking lock and may still be incomplete and buggy. Igor is still
working on this and this is the latest that I have of his work. Getting
comments on this approach would be a good thing as I/we (me/Igor)
believed from the start that this approach is correct.
Assuming that this is possible with the current approach, optimizing
it to avoid CPU ping-ponging is an important next step
bill
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-28 23:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-12-10 17:49 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15 Mark_H_Johnson
2004-12-10 21:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-10 21:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-13 0:16 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-12-13 6:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-14 0:46 ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2004-12-14 4:42 ` K.R. Foley
2004-12-14 8:47 ` Rui Nuno Capela
2004-12-14 11:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2004-12-27 14:35 ` Real-time rw-locks (Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.10-rc2-mm3-V0.7.32-15) Esben Nielsen
2004-12-27 15:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2004-12-27 16:23 ` Esben Nielsen
2004-12-27 16:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2004-12-27 21:06 ` Bill Huey
2004-12-27 21:48 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-12-28 21:59 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 15:25 ` Andrew McGregor
2004-12-28 21:42 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-28 7:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 11:56 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-28 15:28 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 15:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2005-01-28 16:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 19:18 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-01-28 19:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-28 23:25 ` Bill Huey [this message]
2005-01-28 21:13 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-30 22:03 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-01-30 23:59 ` Kyle Moffett
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