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From: Stelian Pop <stelian@popies.net>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:24:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050208152452.GG3537@crusoe.alcove-fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502071516100.30794@scrub.home>

On Tue, Feb 08, 2005 at 03:57:14PM +0100, Roman Zippel wrote:

> On Sun, 6 Feb 2005, Larry McVoy wrote:
> 
> > [Larry continues to pull numbers out of his arse.]
> 
> Out of sympathy to Al I cut the crap short. If you (or anyone else) really 
> want to know, contact me privately.
> The 85% number is of secondary interest only anyway, my (undisputed) 
> argumentation still stands, why the 44% is more important.

Indeed. This number is what started the entire thread (again).

> > > Well, I'm not the one who claimed "We don't do lockins.  Period."
> > > I'm just trying to figure out what that means...
> > 
> > Hey, Roman, the statement above stands.  You made the choice that you want
> > to go write a competing system.  If you hadn't you could just use BK and
> > stop whining.  Since you have made that choice, which is your right,
> > how about you produce your competing system?  And stop whining that
> > we aren't giving you enough help.  What is that you say?  It's hard?
[...]

> This leaves the other users, which either can't or want to use bk, with 
> a reduced kernel history (as I have shown in the previous mails). The 
> practical consequence of this is that a majority of the kernel history is 
> locked into bk right now, with no way in sight to get it out of there.

Sadly, the BK license does not prohibit only 'writing competing systems',
but also people who happen to work with people who work on such 
products. 

Since Red Hat, SuSE, IBM etc do a lot of work on such products, does
this mean that all the kernel hackers working for those companies have
a commercial BK license ?

A second point which strikes me is this clause in the new license:
      (g)  No  reverse  engineering:  You may not yourself and may not
           permit or enable anyone to: [...]
           (iii) provide access to
           the metadata created and managed by BitKeeper to any person
           or  entity which is not licensed to use the BitKeeper Soft-
           ware.

Tell me now how it is possible under this license to post patches
generated by BK on lkml ?

Stelian.
-- 
Stelian Pop <stelian@popies.net>

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-08 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 15:54 Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 16:15 ` Lethalman
2005-02-02 16:37   ` Lethalman
2005-02-03 10:34   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 21:47 ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-03 10:45   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:04     ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-04 20:52     ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-02-09  5:19       ` Kevin Puetz
2005-02-09  8:58         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09 13:44           ` David Roundy
2005-02-03  0:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 10:24   ` Stelian Pop
     [not found] ` <200502030028.j130SNU9004640@terminus.zytor.com>
2005-02-03  3:34   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 16:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 19:32     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 20:20       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 22:00         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 22:28           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 13:01             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 16:06               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 16:22                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-02-04 21:53                   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 17:03                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 18:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 20:05                     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:11                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 21:40                         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 23:31                           ` Francois Romieu
2005-02-05 19:38                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-05 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:43                                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 17:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 18:16                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 18:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  0:07                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-09  2:05                                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:24                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:35                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:39                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09  2:47                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:40                                                       ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091128070.7836@localhost.localdomain>
2005-02-09 17:38                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 18:24                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 18:48                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:31                                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09 23:52                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:22                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:13                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10 19:34                                                           ` d.c
2005-02-11  8:40                                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-09  2:40                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:57                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:03                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  5:48                                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-02-09  9:05                                                         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09  7:06                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-09 14:48                                       ` d.c
2005-02-09 15:51                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 17:30                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 17:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-10  5:44                                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-10  9:36                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10 21:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11  9:02                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-11 15:30                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 15:48                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:18                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:54                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 16:13                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-11 17:22                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 20:00                                                   ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                           ` <20050210222403.GA5920@thunk.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <or650z6syt.fsf@livre.redhat.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2005-02-11 15:53                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 17:24                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10  5:47                                     ` James Bruce
2005-02-06 16:40                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-06 17:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  1:45                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-07  2:10                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 14:57                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 15:19                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:24                           ` Stelian Pop [this message]
2005-02-08 15:47                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:36                           ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-08 15:58                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-08 16:15                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:17                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-08 17:23                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  2:16                       ` Al Viro
2005-02-04 10:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 10:59   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 11:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 11:20       ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-09 18:46 Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 20:13 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 23:53   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  0:14     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:50       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  9:52         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10 10:11           ` linux
2005-02-10  6:08       ` James Bruce
2005-02-10 15:14         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-10 16:42 Steve Lee
2005-02-10 19:23 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-10 19:50   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-11 18:56 none given
2005-02-11 19:50 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.hd724f5.h36q2j@ifi.uio.no>
2011-08-18 19:08 ` lucasrangit
2011-08-18 19:22   ` Randy Dunlap

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