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From: David Weinehall <tao@debian.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net>,
	pageexec@freemail.hu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: the "Turing Attack" (was: Sabotaged PaXtest)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:03:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050210200300.GE19998@khan.acc.umu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050210152149.GA6697@elte.hu>

On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:21:49PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Jakob Oestergaard <jakob@unthought.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 02:43:14PM +0100, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > > 
> > > * pageexec@freemail.hu <pageexec@freemail.hu> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > the bigger problem is however that you're once again fixing the
> > > > symptoms, instead of the underlying problem - not the correct
> > > > approach/mindset.
> > > 
> > > i'll change my approach/mindset when it is proven that "the underlying
> > > problem" can be solved. (in a deterministic fashion)
> > 
> > I know neither exec-shield nor PaX and therefore have no bias or
> > preference - I thought I should chirp in on your comment here Ingo...
> > 
> > ...
> > > PaX cannot be a 'little bit pregnant'. (you might argue that exec-shield
> > > is in the 6th month, but that does not change the fundamental
> > > end-result: a child will be born ;-)
> > 
> > Yes and no.  I would think that the chances of a child being born are
> > greater if the pregnancy has lasted successfully up until the 6th month,
> > compared to a first week pregnancy.
> > 
> > I assume you get my point  :)
> 
> the important point is: neither PaX nor exec-shield can claim _for sure_
> that no child will be born, and neither can claim virginity ;-)
> 
> [ but i guess there's a point where a bad analogy must stop ;) ]

Yeah, sex is *usually* a much more pleasant experience than having your
machine broken into, even if it results in a pregnancy. =)


Regards: David
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-02-10 20:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 16:51 Sabotaged PaXtest (was: Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer) Ingo Molnar
2005-02-02 22:08 ` pageexec
2005-02-03  9:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-03 14:20     ` pageexec
2005-02-03 20:20       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07 14:23         ` pageexec
2005-02-07 21:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-08 12:27             ` pageexec
2005-02-08 21:23               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-07 22:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-08 12:27             ` pageexec
2005-02-08 13:41               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-08 14:25                 ` Julien TINNES
2005-02-08 16:56                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-08 16:48               ` the "Turing Attack" (was: Sabotaged PaXtest) Ingo Molnar
2005-02-08 22:08                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-10 13:43                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-10 13:58                     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2005-02-10 15:21                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-02-10 20:03                         ` David Weinehall [this message]
2005-02-11  8:51                           ` Mika Bostrom
2005-02-08 22:41                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 13:55   ` Sabotaged PaXtest (was: Re: Patch 4/6 randomize the stack pointer) Peter Busser
2005-02-03 14:39     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-07 12:23       ` pageexec
2005-02-07 18:31       ` John Richard Moser

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