From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: "Chad N. Tindel" <chad@tindel.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Xterm Hangs - Possible scheduler defect?
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 18:36:34 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050223183634.31869fa6.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050223230639.GA33795@calma.pair.com>
"Chad N. Tindel" <chad@tindel.net> wrote:
>
> We have hit a defect where an exiting xterm process will hang. This is running
> on a 2-cpu IA-64 box. We have a multithreaded application, where one thread
> is SCHED_FIFO and is running with priority 98, and the other thread is just
> a normal SCHED_OTHER thread. The SCHED_FIFO thread is in a CPU bound tight
> loop, but I wouldn't expect that to cause since there are 2 CPUs.
>
> However, it does seem to cause some problems. For example, if you ssh into
> the system and run an Xterm using X11 forwarding, when you type "exit" in
> the xterm window, the window hangs and doesn't close. Killing the CPU-bound
> app causes the window to exit immediately. The sysrq output shows the
> following:
>
> xterm D a0000001000bef60 0 2905 2876 (NOTLB)
>
> Call Trace:
> [<a0000001004ac480>] schedule+0xca0/0x1300
> sp=e000000012257d20 bsp=e000000012251080
> [<a0000001000bef60>] flush_cpu_workqueue+0x1a0/0x4a0
> sp=e000000012257d30 bsp=e000000012251020
> [<a0000001000bf360>] flush_workqueue+0x100/0x160
> sp=e000000012257d90 bsp=e000000012250fe8
> [<a0000001000bfd60>] flush_scheduled_work+0x20/0x40
> sp=e000000012257d90 bsp=e000000012250fd0
> [<a0000001002e2060>] release_dev+0x8e0/0x1100
> sp=e000000012257d90 bsp=e000000012250f20
> [<a0000001002e3350>] tty_release+0x30/0x60
> sp=e000000012257e30 bsp=e000000012250ef8
> [<a00000010012d430>] __fput+0x330/0x340
> sp=e000000012257e30 bsp=e000000012250ea8
> [<a00000010012d0e0>] fput+0x40/0x60
> sp=e000000012257e30 bsp=e000000012250e88
> [<a00000010012a1b0>] filp_close+0xd0/0x160
> sp=e000000012257e30 bsp=e000000012250e58
> [<a00000010012a380>] sys_close+0x140/0x1a0
> sp=e000000012257e30 bsp=e000000012250dd8
> [<a00000010000aba0>] ia64_ret_from_syscall+0x0/0x20
> sp=e000000012257e30 bsp=e000000012250dd8
>
> So it would appear that xterm is hung in close() trying to shutdown a tty.
> The comment says that is calling flush_scheduled_work() to
> "Wait for ->hangup_work and ->flip.work handlers to terminate". Perhaps there
> is some locking issue that is causing these to not run and complete?
`xterm' is waiting for the other CPU to schedule a kernel thread (which is
bound to that CPU). Once that kernel thread has done a little bit of work,
`xterm' can terminate.
But kernel threads don't run with realtime policy, so your userspace app
has permanently starved that kernel thread.
It's potentially quite a problem, really. For example it could prevent
various tty operations from completing, it will prevent kjournald from ever
writing back anything (on uniprocessor, etc). I've been waiting for
someone to complain ;)
But the other side of the coin is that a SCHED_FIFO userspace task
presumably has extreme latency requirements, so it doesn't *want* to be
preempted by some routine kernel operation. People would get irritated if
we were to do that.
So what to do?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-24 2:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-23 23:06 Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 2:36 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-02-24 5:23 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 6:50 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-24 5:26 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 13:25 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-24 17:33 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 22:25 ` Peter Chubb
2005-02-24 22:40 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 23:00 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-24 23:22 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 23:32 ` Andrew Morton
2005-02-25 0:47 ` Kyle Moffett
[not found] <20050224075756.GA18639@calma.pair.com>
[not found] ` <30111.1109237503@www1.gmx.net>
2005-02-24 17:53 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 18:19 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 18:38 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 19:04 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-24 19:22 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 19:46 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 20:08 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-24 20:29 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-25 0:51 ` Ingo Oeser
2005-02-25 15:12 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-25 15:39 ` Ingo Oeser
2005-02-25 15:53 ` Paulo Marques
2005-02-25 16:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-25 17:07 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-24 19:52 ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-02-25 20:25 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-25 21:02 ` Chad N. Tindel
2005-02-25 23:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-26 11:58 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-25 4:25 ` Mike Galbraith
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