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From: Bill Huey (hui) <bhuey@lnxw.com>
To: Bill Huey <bhuey@lnxw.com>
Cc: Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>,
	dipankar@in.ibm.com, shemminger@osdl.org, akpm@osdl.org,
	torvalds@osdl.org, rusty@au1.ibm.com, tgall@us.ibm.com,
	jim.houston@comcast.net, manfred@colorfullife.com, gh@us.ibm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Real-Time Preemption and RCU
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 02:17:27 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050322101727.GB448@nietzsche.lynx.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050322100446.GA448@nietzsche.lynx.com>

On Tue, Mar 22, 2005 at 02:04:46AM -0800, Bill Huey wrote:
> RCU isn't write deterministic like typical RT apps are[, so] we can... (below :-))
... 
> Just came up with an idea after I thought about how much of a bitch it
> would be to get a fast RCU multipule reader semantic (our current shared-
> exclusive lock inserts owners into a sorted priority list per-thread which
> makes it very expensive for a simple RCU case[,] since they are typically very
> small batches of items being altered). Basically the RCU algorithm has *no*
> notion of writer priority and to propagate a PI operation down all reader[s]
> is meaningless, so why not revert back to the original rwlock-semaphore to
> get the multipule reader semantics ?

The original lock, for those that don't know, doesn't strictly track read owners
so reentrancy is cheap.

> A notion of priority across a quiescience operation is crazy anyways[-,-] so
> it would be safe just to use to the old rwlock-semaphore "in place" without
> any changes or priorty handling add[i]tions. The RCU algorithm is only concerned
> with what is basically a coarse data guard and it isn't time or priority
> critical.

A little jitter in a quiescence operation isn't going to hurt things right ?. 

> What do you folks think ? That would make Paul's stuff respect multipule
> readers which reduces contention and gets around the problem of possibly
> overloading the current rt lock implementation that we've been bitching
> about. The current RCU development track seem wrong in the first place and
> this seem like it could be a better and more complete solution to the problem.

Got to get rid of those typos :)

bill


  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-22 10:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-18  0:20 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18  7:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:43   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 17:11     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 17:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 20:35       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 22:22         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-19  0:48           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18  8:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18  9:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 15:33       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-19  5:03     ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-19 16:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  6:36         ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-20  9:25           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-03-20 16:57             ` Manfred Spraul
2005-03-20 21:38               ` Bill Huey
2005-03-20 21:59                 ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 10:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 11:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:48     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 17:19       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20 13:29         ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-20 22:38           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-20 23:23             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22  5:53               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  8:55                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22  9:20                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 10:19                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-23  5:40                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23 11:44                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-24  7:02                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 11:39             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22 13:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 15:08                 ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 15:48   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 11:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 12:56 ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 13:17   ` Bill Huey
2005-03-18 15:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 16:02     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 16:55       ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-22 10:04         ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:17           ` Bill Huey [this message]
2005-03-22 10:34             ` Bill Huey
2005-03-22 10:38           ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-18 22:26       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-19 16:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  8:01           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-22  8:08             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-18 15:54   ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-18 15:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-11 22:57 real-time preemption " James Huang

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