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From: Petr Baudis <pasky@ucw.cz>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Call to atention about using hash functions as content indexers (SCM saga)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 00:51:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050411225139.GA9145@pasky.ji.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050411224021.GA25106@larroy.com>

Dear diary, on Tue, Apr 12, 2005 at 12:40:21AM CEST, I got a letter
where Pedro Larroy <piotr@larroy.com> told me that...
> Hi

Hello,

> I had a quick look at the source of GIT tonight, I'd like to warn you
> about the use of hash functions as content indexers.
> 
> As probably you are aware, hash functions such as SHA-1 are surjective not
> bijective (1-to-1 map), so they have collisions. Here one can argue
> about the low probability of such a collision, I won't get into
> subjetive valorations of what probability of collision is tolerable for
> me and what is not. 
> 
> I my humble opinion, choosing deliberately, as a design decision, a
> method such as this one, that in some cases could corrupt data in a
> silent and very hard to detect way, is not very good. One can also argue
> that the probability of data getting corrupted in the disk, or whatever
> could be higher than that of the collision, again this is not valid
> comparison, since the fact that indexing by hash functions without
> additional checking could make data corruption legal between the
> reasonable working parameters of the program is very dangerous.

(i) 1461501637330902918203684832716283019655932542976 possible SHA1 hashes.

(ii) In git-pasky, there's (turnable off) detection of collisions.

(iii) Your argument against comparing with the probability of a hardware
error does not make sense to me.

(iv) You fail to propose a better solution.

-- 
				Petr "Pasky" Baudis
Stuff: http://pasky.or.cz/
98% of the time I am right. Why worry about the other 3%.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-11 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-11 22:40 Pedro Larroy
2005-04-11 22:51 ` Petr Baudis [this message]
2005-04-11 23:23   ` Magnus Damm
2005-04-12 10:02     ` Catalin Marinas
2005-04-12  9:59   ` Barry K. Nathan
2005-04-12 12:10   ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-12 15:29 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-04-14 15:54   ` Eric D. Mudama
2005-04-12 16:35 ` Eric Rannaud
2005-04-14  8:30   ` Andy Isaacson
2005-04-14 13:35     ` Eric Rannaud

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