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From: "Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@osdl.org>
To: Igor Shmukler <igor.shmukler@gmail.com>
Cc: arjan@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: intercepting syscalls
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:03:56 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050415130356.5d99856f.rddunlap@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6533c1c905041512411ec2a8db@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:41:34 -0400 Igor Shmukler wrote:

| Hello,
| 
| Thanks to everyone for replying.
| It is surprising to me that linux-kernel people decided to disallow
| interception of system calls.
| I don't really see any upside to this.

Upside ?

| I guess if there is no clean way to do this, we will have to resort to
| quick and dirty.
| 
| Can anyone point to a discussion that yielded this decision. Perhaps,
| I need to educate myself. I stumbled upon comments that this can lead
| to mess, but pretty much anything in LKM can cause problems. I don't
| think that hiding commonly used convenient interfaces just because
| they can be abused is a valid reason, hence I would love to know what
| is the real reason.

What "commonly used convenient interfaces"?


I don't claim to remember all of the reasons.  A couple of them are:

a.  it's racy
b.  it's not architecture-independent


| Thank you,
| 
| Igor
| 
| 
| On 4/15/05, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:
| > On Fri, 2005-04-15 at 14:04 -0400, Igor Shmukler wrote:
| > > Hello,
| > > We are working on a LKM for the 2.6 kernel.
| > > We HAVE to intercept system calls. I understand this could be
| > > something developers are no encouraged to do these days, but we need
| > > this.
| > 
| > your module is GPL licensed right ? (You're depending on deep internals
| > after all)
| > 
| > Why do you *have* to intercept system calls... can't you instead use the
| > audit infrastructure to get that information ?
| > 
| > What is the URL of your current code so that we can provide reasonable
| > recommendations ?
| -


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~Randy

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-04-15 20:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-15 18:04 Igor Shmukler
2005-04-15 18:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-15 19:41   ` Igor Shmukler
2005-04-15 19:51     ` Daniel Souza
2005-04-15 19:59       ` Igor Shmukler
2005-04-15 20:10         ` Daniel Souza
2005-04-15 20:13           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-15 20:19             ` Daniel Souza
2005-04-15 20:25               ` Chris Wright
2005-04-15 20:38               ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-04-15 21:00                 ` Daniel Souza
2005-04-15 20:55         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-18 11:54         ` Rik van Riel
2005-04-18 14:48           ` Igor Shmukler
2005-04-18 14:59             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 15:06               ` Igor Shmukler
2005-04-18 15:20                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-18 18:56                   ` Terje Malmedal
2005-04-18 19:19                     ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-18 19:40                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-19  8:32                       ` Terje Malmedal
2005-04-18 15:17             ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-04-18 16:20               ` Igor Shmukler
2005-04-18 16:26                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-04-15 20:03     ` Randy.Dunlap [this message]
2005-04-15 18:12 ` Chris Wright
2005-04-15 18:16 ` Timur Tabi
2005-04-15 19:27 ` Zan Lynx
2005-04-15 20:25 ` Petr Baudis
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2005-04-15 23:05                 ` Bodo Eggert <harvested.in.lkml@posting.7eggert.dyndns.org>

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