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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Martin Wilck <martin.wilck@fujitsu-siemens.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC for 2.6: avoid OOM at bounce buffer storm
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 14:46:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050608144630.6d167813.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42A73ED8.9040505@fujitsu-siemens.com>

Martin Wilck <martin.wilck@fujitsu-siemens.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Andrew,
> 
> > The semaphore is initialised with the limit level, so once it has been
> > down()ed more than `limit' times, processes will block until someone does
> > up().
> 
> Oh - of course. Neat.
> 
> >>It appears to run much more 
> >> smoothly now, perhaps because wakeup_bdflush() isn't called any more. 
> >> Are you still interested in more data?
> > 
> > Perhaps the newer kernel has writeback thresholding fixes so it's not
> > possible to dirty as much memory with write().
> 
> I have collected more data and the behavior with 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 is 
> flawless, there is a continuous writeback flow close to the maximum rate 
> possible, and the bounce buffer usage never gets anywhere near the limit 
> where it'd become dangerous. At least not in my test setup. The latest 
> fedora kernel 2.6.11-1.27 also behaves ok, although it doesn't adapt to 
> changing io load as smoothly as 2.6.12-rc5-mm2 does, and the writeback 
> rate is oscillating more strongly.
> 
> The kernels where I observe the problem are 2.6.9 kernels from RedHat 
> EL4. I have posted this here because I saw that the highmem bounce 
> buffer/memory pool implementation was identical between the 2.6.9 kernel 
> and all but the very latest development kernels, and I concluded 
> prematurely that the behavior under my scenario must also be the same -- 
> which it wasn't. I apologize for not having looked more closely.
> 
> Many thanks for looking into this anyway. From a theoretical point of 
> view, I still think I had a valid point :-/.
> 
> Your patch sure looks good to me.

Well.  As I said, I think what you're seeing here is recent changes to
mm/page-writeback.c which reduce the amount of memory which we'll permit to
be dirtied due to write() calls.  You'll probably find that the bounce
buffer problem is also fixable by reducing /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio in
2.6.9, for the same reasons.

What concerns me is that there are other ways of dirtying lots of memory
apart from write(): namely mmap(MAP_SHARED).  If someone dirties 90% of all
memory via mmap() then we might again get into bounce buffer starvation.


  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-08 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-03 15:47 Martin Wilck
2005-06-03 23:06 ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-07 14:20   ` Martin Wilck
2005-06-07 19:08     ` Andrew Morton
2005-06-08 18:54       ` Martin Wilck
2005-06-08 21:46         ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-06-14 16:22           ` Martin Wilck
2005-06-14 20:38             ` Andrew Morton

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