From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262285AbVFIG1q (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:27:46 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262289AbVFIG1q (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:27:46 -0400 Received: from 167.imtp.Ilyichevsk.Odessa.UA ([195.66.192.167]:3508 "HELO port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S262285AbVFIGZs (ORCPT ); Thu, 9 Jun 2005 02:25:48 -0400 From: Denis Vlasenko To: "David S. Miller" Subject: Re: ipw2100: firmware problem Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:25:07 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.4 Cc: abonilla@linuxwireless.org, pavel@ucw.cz, jgarzik@pobox.com, netdev@oss.sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, ipw2100-admin@linux.intel.com References: <002901c56c3b$8216cdd0$600cc60a@amer.sykes.com> <200506090909.55889.vda@ilport.com.ua> <20050608.231657.59660080.davem@davemloft.net> In-Reply-To: <20050608.231657.59660080.davem@davemloft.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200506090925.07495.vda@ilport.com.ua> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thursday 09 June 2005 09:16, David S. Miller wrote: > From: Denis Vlasenko > Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:09:55 +0300 > > > On Wednesday 08 June 2005 18:05, Alejandro Bonilla wrote: > > > Currently, when we install the driver, it associates to any open network on > > > boot. This is good, cause we don't want to be typing the commands all the > > > time just to associate. It works this way now and is pretty nice. > > > > What is so nice about this? That Linux novice user with his new lappie > > will join a neighbor's network every time he powers up the lappie, > > even without knowing that? > > I love this behavior, because it means that I don't have to do > anything special to get my setup at home working. > > Me caveman > Me plug in wireless router > Me watch pretty lights > Me turn on computer > Me up interface You need to up interface? And surely you need ip addr? That's a knob also! :) > Computer work > Me no care other cavemen use wireless link > > Configuration knobs are _madness_. Things should work with minimal > intervention and configuration. Sure. I consider "iwconfig essid MyCave mode managed" a minimal intervention, just like I consider "ip a a dev eth0 123.123.123.2/24 brd +; ip l set dev eth0 up" a miniman interventian if I need IP configured. -- vda