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From: Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@engr.sgi.com>
Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@hp.com>,
	tony.luck@intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: long delays (possibly infinite) in time_interpolator_get_counter
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 10:57:05 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200508011057.05802.bjorn.helgaas@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0507301105120.25104@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Saturday 30 July 2005 12:10 pm, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005, Alex Williamson wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2005-07-29 at 16:31 -0700, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > What you are dealing with is a machine that is using ITC as a time bases. 
> > > That is a special case.
> > 
> >    The default time source for ia64 systems is a "special case"?  4
> > socket and smaller boxes typically do not have any other time source.
> 
> It is a special case because we typically use other time sources.

Maybe you==SGI typically use other time sources, but most other
ia64 boxes have synchronized ITCs.  There's no reason such machines
should have to use the slower and lower precision HPET.

> If it is really synchronized then you can run with "nojitter" without any 
> issue. Then you wont have to deal with the cmpxchg and everything is fine. 
> But I suspect that the ITC are NOT truly synchronized (it has an 
> "offset" that may be nonzero right?) otherwise you would have used nojitter.

And why should everyday users have to be concerned with "nojitter"?

> Extra timer hardware is necessary to fix the ITC deficiency. You are at 
> the source of the problem. Fix the damn hardware to provide a standardized 
> synchronized clock or provide a truly synchronized ITC.

The "ITC deficiency" is a platform design issue.  Most small SMP platforms
*do* synchronize the clocks of all processors.  Obviously that's difficult
on large boxes, and then you may need extra timers in the platform.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-01 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-29 22:06 tony.luck
2005-07-29 23:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-30 16:47   ` Alex Williamson
2005-07-30 18:10     ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-31 17:02       ` Alex Williamson
2005-07-31 20:00         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-08-01 16:57       ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2005-08-01 17:04         ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-30  0:32 ` Christoph Lameter

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