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From: Mark Fasheh <mark.fasheh@oracle.com>
To: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
Cc: David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-cluster@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/14] GFS
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 11:54:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050803185401.GB21228@ca-server1.us.oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050803103744.GG11081@marowsky-bree.de>

On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 12:37:44PM +0200, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2005-08-03T11:56:18, David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com> wrote:
> 
> > > * Why use your own journalling layer and not say ... jbd ?
> > Here's an analysis of three approaches to cluster-fs journaling and their
> > pros/cons (including using jbd):  http://tinyurl.com/7sbqq
> 
> Very instructive read, thanks for the link.
While it may be true that for a full log, flushing for a *single* lock may
be more expensive in OCFS2, Ken ignores the fact that in our one big flush
we've made all locks on journalled resources immediately releasable.
According to that description, GFS2 would have to do a seperate transaction
flush (including the extra step of writing revoke records) for each lock
protecting a journalled resource. Assuming the same number of locks are
required to be dropped under both systems then for a number of locks > 1
OCFS2 will actually do less work - the actual metadata blocks would be the
same on either end, but JBD only has to write that the journal is now clean
to the journal superblock whereas GFS2 has to revoke the blocks for each
dropped lock.

Of course all of this talk completely avoids the fact that in any case these
things are expensive so a cluster file system has to take care to ping locks
as little as possible. OCFS2 takes great pains to make as many operations
node local (requiring no cluster locks) as possible - data allocation is
usually done from a node local pool which is refreshed from the main bitmap.
Deallocation happens similarly - we have a truncate log in which we record
deleted clusters. Each node has their own inode and metadata chain
allocators which another node will only lock for delete (a truncate log
style local metadata delete log could easily be added if that ever became a
problem).
	--Mark

--
Mark Fasheh
Senior Software Developer, Oracle
mark.fasheh@oracle.com

  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-03 18:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-02  7:18 David Teigland
2005-08-02  7:45 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-02 14:57   ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-08-02 15:02     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-03  1:00       ` Hans Reiser
2005-08-03  4:07         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-08-03  6:37           ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-08-03  9:09         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-03  3:56   ` David Teigland
2005-08-03  9:17     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-03 10:08       ` David Teigland
2005-08-03 10:37     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-03 18:54       ` Mark Fasheh [this message]
2005-08-05  7:14   ` David Teigland
2005-08-05  7:27     ` [Linux-cluster] " Mike Christie
2005-08-05  7:30       ` Mike Christie
2005-08-05  7:34     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-05  9:44       ` David Teigland
2005-08-05 10:07         ` Jörn Engel
2005-08-05 10:31           ` David Teigland
2005-08-05  8:28     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-08-05  8:34       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-08  6:26     ` David Teigland
2005-08-11  6:06   ` David Teigland
2005-08-11  6:55     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-02 10:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-08-03  6:36   ` David Teigland
2005-08-08 14:14     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-08 18:32       ` GFS Zach Brown
2005-08-09 14:49         ` GFS Pekka Enberg
2005-08-09 17:17           ` GFS Zach Brown
2005-08-09 18:35             ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10  4:48             ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10  7:21           ` GFS Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-10  7:31             ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10 16:26               ` GFS Mark Fasheh
2005-08-10 16:57                 ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10 18:21                   ` GFS Mark Fasheh
2005-08-10 20:18                     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10 22:07                       ` GFS Mark Fasheh
2005-08-11  4:41                         ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10  5:59       ` GFS David Teigland
2005-08-10  6:06         ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-03  6:44 ` [PATCH 00/14] GFS Pekka Enberg
2005-08-08  9:57   ` David Teigland
2005-08-08 10:00     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-08 10:05     ` [PATCH 00/14] GFS Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-08 10:20       ` Jörn Engel
2005-08-08 10:18     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-08 10:56       ` GFS David Teigland
2005-08-08 10:57         ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-08 11:39           ` GFS David Teigland
2005-08-08 10:34     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-09 14:55     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10  7:40     ` GFS Pekka J Enberg
2005-08-10  7:43       ` GFS Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-09 15:20 ` [PATCH 00/14] GFS Al Viro
2005-08-10  7:03   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-10 10:30     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-10 10:32       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-10 10:34         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-10 10:54           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-10 11:02             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-10 11:05               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-10 11:09                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-10 11:11                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-08-10 13:26                     ` [Linux-cluster] " AJ Lewis
2005-08-10 15:43                       ` Kyle Moffett
2005-08-11  8:17 ` GFS - updated patches David Teigland
2005-08-11  8:21   ` [Linux-cluster] " Michael
2005-08-11  8:46     ` David Teigland
2005-08-11  8:49       ` Michael
2005-08-11  8:32   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-11  8:50     ` David Teigland
2005-08-11  8:50       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-08-11  9:16         ` David Teigland
2005-08-11 10:04           ` Pekka Enberg
2005-08-11  9:54   ` [Linux-cluster] " Michael
2005-08-11 10:00     ` Pekka Enberg
     [not found] <20050802071828.GA11217@redhat.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-03 14:33 ` [PATCH 00/14] GFS Andi Kleen
2005-08-07 11:52   ` Alan Cox

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