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From: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>
To: Sander <sander@humilis.net>
Cc: Willy Tarreau <willy@w.ods.org>, Sean <seanlkml@sympatico.ca>,
	Alex Davis <alex14641@yahoo.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS
Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:01:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050905080153.GA17081@alpha.home.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050905064135.GB27746@favonius>

On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 08:41:36AM +0200, Sander wrote:
> Willy Tarreau wrote (ao):
> > So you're both half-right from your point of view. But you're both half-wrong
> > too : no, people can't always choose, and no, people who don't choose their
> > laptop are not impacted by development kernels. So let's turn the page and
> > wait for a stable kernel.
> 
> If the company provides a laptop that doesn't mean that the user can't
> choose anymore. He can buy his own laptop. Companies don't allow you to
> fiddle with the installed OS anyway.

On what planet do you live ? When you're a "consultant" (I hate this word),
you take the laptop you're assigned, and use it at customers'. And when
you're fed up with windows (ie: after about 2 hours of work with its shitty
hyperterminal and telnet client), you take any Linux CD and scratch the
install to be able to work for what you're paid, whatever the guy who
installed windows thinks about it. And when he complains to the staff,
you tell them to call the customer to be aware of the time they made you
lose with their inappropriate tools.  If my laptop cannot run a decent
telnet client, tftp server, tcpdump, hping, ssh client/server, terminal
emulator, a very fast tcp/ip stack which by the way supports adding and
removing thousands of IP addresses without rebooting, then let it die.
And as I said, I am one of the lucky enough to be able to choose. That's
not the case for most of my coworkers.

Regards,
Willy


  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-05  8:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-05  2:00 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  2:07 ` Sean
2005-09-05  2:29   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:00     ` Sean
2005-09-05  3:41       ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:51         ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:03           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  4:12             ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  4:47                 ` Sean
2005-09-05  5:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  5:31                     ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:04                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  6:20                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:29                         ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05 15:29                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-08 20:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 22:51                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:41                 ` Sander
2005-09-05  8:01                   ` Willy Tarreau [this message]
2005-09-08 20:01                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 20:24                   ` Christopher Friesen
2005-09-05  3:54         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05  4:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-05  4:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-06 17:04           ` Benjamin LaHaise
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-06 10:29 Chuck Ebbert
2005-09-05  1:30 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  1:41 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-05  1:56   ` dean gaudet
     [not found] <4I7UM-M1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4ITG4-8nH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J1DC-2NU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-04 17:33     ` Robert Hancock
2005-09-04 14:51 Alex Davis
2005-09-04 17:11 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04 17:11   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-09-04 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-06  4:37   ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  6:39     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-06  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  7:32         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-06  7:50           ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 13:29           ` Diego Calleja
2005-09-06 13:25     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 17:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 17:23         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 18:42           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-06 18:46             ` viro
2005-09-06 19:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 20:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-07 17:46             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:54               ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 19:52                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:29                     ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 20:28                   ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 21:57                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07 23:25                       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-08  1:06                         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-08 19:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-06 22:19           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 22:36               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-09-06 22:28             ` Roland Dreier
2005-09-07  0:04               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:42             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07  1:59             ` Mark Lord
2005-09-07  3:46               ` Lee Revell
2005-09-07  4:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07  5:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 16:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08  0:44   ` Alex Davis
     [not found] <4IcUz-7H2-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4J2gx-3zf-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J5R1-cH-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4J6ao-L9-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4J6jZ-Xg-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4J8vt-43Y-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-02  6:08           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-04 12:49             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-04 13:30               ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-09-04 14:49                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04 16:44               ` Paul Misner
2005-09-04 17:07                 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-04 17:12                   ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 19:22                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-04 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 20:13                       ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 20:37                         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-07 16:38                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2005-09-08 19:05                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-05 22:32                       ` Thorild Selen
2005-09-05 23:06                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02  0:39 Adrian Bunk
2005-09-02  5:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-09-02  6:29   ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:40     ` Neil Brown
2005-09-13  8:05       ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-10-01 22:50         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-02 20:35           ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:55 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-02 21:58 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-04  3:48 ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04  7:36   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04  8:23     ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 12:12   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2005-09-04 13:26 ` Sander
2005-06-08 12:35 Ian Kumlien
2005-06-08 13:14 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-07 21:27 Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 21:47 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-06-08 10:03   ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-08 10:39   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 11:12     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-08 12:13       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-04 18:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-05  6:14           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-05 13:46             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-08  1:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-06-08 10:42   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:28     ` raven
2005-06-08 12:00 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2005-06-10 15:18   ` Vladimir Saveliev

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