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From: Alistair John Strachan <s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk>
To: Edgar Hucek <hostmaster@ed-soft.at>
Cc: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: New Linux Development Model
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 13:47:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200511051347.54833.s0348365@sms.ed.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <436CB162.5070100@ed-soft.at>

On Saturday 05 November 2005 13:19, Edgar Hucek wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Sorry for not posting my Name.
>
> Maybe you don't understand what i wanted to say or it's my bad english.
> The ipw2200 driver was only an example. I had also problems with, vmware,
> unionfs...

Read the document linked to by Jean. It explains why a volatile API is 
ultimately beneficial to the Linux development process.

It's frustrating for vendors and maintainers to keep their code up to date 
with the latest kernel, but if it's done incrementally after Linus releases 
(or during the very lengthy RC process), it's usually very easy.

Also, you're gelling together many projects which have completely different 
reasons for breaking across kernel revisions.

ipw2200 "works" in 2.6.14, it's just the maintainer has opted to use a "stable 
version" which lacks experimental features while ieee80211 gets up to 
scratch.

OTOH, unionfs is poorly maintained and is a particularly sore example of how 
the linux development model is detrimental to external module development.

There are people constantly working to make binary modules like VMWare, NVIDIA 
and ATI work under the newest kernels. Just google it. Ultimately we can't 
allow ourselves to be held down by slow-moving binary vendors. It's too 
inefficient (not to mention of questionable ethics).

-- 
Cheers,
Alistair.

'No sense being pessimistic, it probably wouldn't work anyway.'
Third year Computer Science undergraduate.
1F2 55 South Clerk Street, Edinburgh, UK.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-05 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-05  9:42 hostmaster
2005-11-05 10:29 ` Francois Romieu
2005-11-05 11:29 ` Jean Delvare
2005-11-05 13:19   ` Edgar Hucek
2005-11-05 13:44     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-05 13:47     ` Alistair John Strachan [this message]
2005-11-05 22:23       ` Mark Lord
2005-11-06  0:28         ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-05 14:34     ` Jesper Juhl
2005-11-05 14:48       ` Oliver Neukum
2005-11-05 14:56         ` Fawad Lateef
2005-11-05 15:28         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-06 10:52     ` jerome lacoste
2005-11-06 11:55       ` Edgar Hucek
2005-11-06 12:39         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-06 12:57         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-06 17:38         ` Jean Delvare
     [not found]       ` <436DEEFC.4020301@ed-soft.at>
2005-11-06 13:43         ` jerome lacoste
2005-11-09  0:11           ` caszonyi
2005-11-09  0:23             ` Con Kolivas
2005-11-09  7:00               ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-09 12:30             ` jerome lacoste
2005-11-09 14:03               ` caszonyi
2005-11-09 15:45                 ` Marcos Marado
2005-11-06 16:50       ` John Carlson
2005-11-06 18:17     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-11-09  0:16       ` caszonyi
2005-11-06 15:22 ` Jim Nance
2005-11-06 16:55   ` John Carlson
2005-11-09  1:47 Ian Kumlien
2005-11-09 11:08 ` Marcos Marado
2005-11-09 11:30   ` Ian Kumlien
2005-11-09 12:03     ` Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:03:07 +0100
2005-11-09 15:49       ` Ian Kumlien
2005-11-09 15:58         ` Al Viro
2005-11-09 16:32           ` Ian Kumlien
2005-11-09 12:37     ` Marcos Marado
2005-11-09 16:01       ` Ian Kumlien
2005-11-10  0:55         ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-10 15:10           ` Mark Lord
2005-11-10 19:29             ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-10 19:47               ` Ian Kumlien
2005-11-09 19:05   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-09 20:10     ` Marcos Marado
2005-11-10  0:57       ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-10 20:08         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-10 20:21           ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-11-12 13:45       ` Bill Davidsen

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