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From: Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>
To: Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 10:07:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200511221007.12833.vda@ilport.com.ua> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17282.39560.978065.606788@cse.unsw.edu.au>

On Tuesday 22 November 2005 06:11, Neil Brown wrote:
> I doubt they will see 'the light' for many years without dollar signs
> attached.
> 
> A question worth asking is: Who needs whom?  Do we (FLOSS community)
> need them (Graphics hardware manufactures) or do they need us?
> Despite growth in Linux on Desktops, I think we need them a lot more
> than they need us.
[snip] 
> Who is going to pay these people to do this work?  If you agree with
> the analysis of 'who needs whom', the logical answer is 'us'.
> 
> Maybe we need a small consortium of companies with vested interest in
> OSS each ponying up half a million, and use this to employ two teams
> of graphics experts, one of which works within NVidia, and one within
> ATI.  I suspect the two companies could be convinced to take on some
> free engineering support, if it was presented the right way.
> 
> Anyone got a few dollars to spare?

Historically hackers were not too good at raising funds.

Maybe we should use stuff which we are good at? Forcedeth
is a nice precedent. 2d and especially 3d engines
may be significantly harder to reverse engineer,
but people can scale rather nicely, as kernel development shows. ;)

Then write specs from gained knowledge and put it on a web page.

IIRC reverese engineering for driver development is legal
in most countries.

If ATI/NVidia will sue Linux on this, then server-oriented companies
(RedHat, IBM, ...) probably could provide defence.
--
vda

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-22  8:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-21 22:53 Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:01 ` Greg KH
2005-11-21 23:35   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  0:47     ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22  1:34       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22  2:20         ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22  2:36           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  3:01             ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22  7:41           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22  8:44             ` Dave Airlie
2005-11-22  2:27         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  3:23           ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22  3:44             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  4:11             ` Neil Brown
2005-11-22  8:07               ` Denis Vlasenko [this message]
2005-11-22 14:30                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:33                   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 16:38                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 10:58               ` Florian Weimer
2005-11-22 19:28               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-23 15:46                 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-11-24  2:11                   ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 15:46             ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 15:51               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:14                 ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:25                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:40                     ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 17:11                         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 17:37                         ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 17:38                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 19:39                           ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-23 10:51                         ` Rogério Brito
2005-11-23 14:29                           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:38                       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 19:47                         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 16:26                   ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 16:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 19:49                       ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 20:08                         ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 20:15                           ` Lee Revell
2005-11-22 20:43                           ` Diego Calleja
2005-11-22 22:00                             ` Avi Kivity
2005-11-22 22:42                       ` Jan Knutar
2005-11-22 14:07           ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 22:53             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 23:06               ` Marc Koschewski
2005-11-22 23:20                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 14:25           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 14:26             ` today's graphics (was Re: [RFC] Small PCI core patch) Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 18:58               ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 18:41                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22  1:21     ` [RFC] Small PCI core patch Greg KH
2005-11-22  1:28     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-11-22  1:42       ` Greg KH
2005-11-22  5:50     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-11-22 14:36       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-22 16:54     ` Jon Smirl
2005-11-22 20:17       ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 21:13         ` Brian Gerst
2005-11-22 23:26           ` Alan Cox
2005-11-22 22:59       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22  6:57   ` Rob Landley
2005-11-22 18:26   ` Matthieu CASTET
2005-11-22 19:05     ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 20:15     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23  3:26       ` Andrew James Wade
2005-11-21 23:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-21 23:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-11-22 17:50 ` Greg KH
2005-11-22 22:31   ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-22 23:40     ` Alan Cox
2005-11-23  6:06       ` Harald Dunkel
2005-11-23  6:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-11-23 11:11           ` Alan Cox
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     [not found]       ` <5bHtG-228-23@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-11-25  4:06         ` Robert Hancock
2005-11-25  6:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-11-25 13:54           ` Alan Cox

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