From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: sekharan@us.ibm.com, ak@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/7]: Fix for unsafe notifier chain
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:36:12 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20051207153612.0de2ce38.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0512071441010.22006-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> A high percentage of the existing notifier chains are of the blocking sort
> (the callouts are allowed to sleep). They are well served by a simple
> rw-semaphore, as in our patch. It seems foolish to force the duplication
> of this locking code in all the places that would need it.
>
> Likewise, the atomic-type chains (where the callouts must run in an atomic
> context) are generally well served by the RCU mechanism, especially in
> cases where callouts are never unregistered.
>
> So I propose that, in addition to those two types of chains, we define a
> third type: raw notifiers. These will be implemented with no protection
> at all. No rw-semaphore, no spinlock, no RCU, no need to avoid
> self-unregistration, nothing -- all protection will be up to the users.
> In other words, just what you asked for.
>
> This gives us the best of both worlds. The common cases can benefit from
> the centralized locking and protection, while anyone who has special needs
> can easily provide for them.
>
> If you think this would be okay, I'll rewrite the notifier patch to
> include the raw type.
The default version of notifier chains should be the lockless version -
just like list_head, radix_tree, etc. (idr tries to provide its own
locking and has turned out to be a classic case of why we shouldn't do
that).
And sure, it makes sense to provide additional, higher-level data
structures and APIs which layer on top of that, purely as a code
consolidation exercise. But they shouldn't be called notifier_chains.
Call them notifier_chain_mutex_locked and notifier_chain_rwlocked and
notifier_chain_spinlocked or whatever.
As for the NMIs and RCU: I suspect it was simply a mistake to try to use
notifier chains for NMI registration in the first place - they are simply
too complex a data structure for this. I think I previously suggested
removing that code and using just a fixed-size array of function pointers.
But if the RCUified notifier chain solution is less-than-totally-gross then
that might be OK as well.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-12-07 23:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-12-07 20:12 Alan Stern
2005-12-07 23:36 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2005-12-08 19:53 ` Alan Stern
2005-12-13 5:02 ` Keith Owens
2005-12-13 15:06 ` Alan Stern
2005-12-13 23:36 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-09 4:50 ` Keith Owens
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2005-11-19 2:19 Chandra Seetharaman
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