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From: Stephane Eranian <eranian@hpl.hp.com>
To: Philip Mucci <mucci@cs.utk.edu>
Cc: "Bryan O'Sullivan" <bos@serpentine.com>,
	perfmon@napali.hpl.hp.com, perfctr-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: perfmon2 code review: 32-bit ABI on 64-bit OS
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:54:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060220175409.GB1436@frankl.hpl.hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1139857076.4342.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

So I worked some more on these 32bit vs 64bit ABI issues. I came
to the conclusion that the only way to make this work cleanly
without any special compilation flags or runtime support is
to simply ensure that all data structures exchanged/shared between
the monitoring tool  and the kernel use only fixed size types.
This way, the sizeof struct  and fields offset remains constant
in ILP32 or LP64 mode. As a consequence I now have:
	- all bitmasks use u64
	- all size_t are replaced with u64
	- the default format IP (instruction pointer) is u64

For the IP, the most significant bits contain all zeroes in
ILP32 mode. With the default sampling buffer format, you add
4 bytes to the sample header but then you have nothing special
to do with user level code. I think this is also inline with
the fact that 64-bit computing is becoming widely available
for desktop and laptop computers.

As an example, I can now compile a tool for P4 in 32-bit and
run it on my 32-bit Xeon. But I can also run the same *binary*
on my EM64T and it works as expected including for the sampling
buffer. I believe the same would be possible with Opteron, although
I have not tried.

I hope this closes another sticking point about the interface.


On Tue, Feb 14, 2006 at 12:57:55AM +0600, Philip Mucci wrote:
> 
> I know this is ugly, but what about in the user code checking the arch?
> Is it not true that if a kernel is running 64 bit, it has the 64 tagged
> on the the end of the arch? i.e. mips64, ppc64, x86_64?
> 
> The other solution would be to add am information call to the API, like
> perfctr has. This would export the processor type along with other
> feature bits, including the number of bits of the IP. 
> 
> Either of these combined with compile time ABI/bitness constants should
> cover the cases no?
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> > The problem is in the user level header file for the sampling buffer.
> > We would need a data type that is 64-bit for IP if the host OS is 64-bit
> > (regardless of the ABI used by the tool, i.e., the compiler). And a data
> > type that is 32-bit on 32-bit OS. The problem is that there is no compiler
> > flag or header flag somewhere that could guide the compiler. In the case
> > of MIPS, we have defined a libpfm compile flags that indicates we want
> > the 64-bit OS definition when compiling for a 32-bit application.
> > 
> 
> 
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-- 

-Stephane

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-20 17:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-20 18:37 [perfmon] Re: quick overview of the perfmon2 interface Truong, Dan
2006-01-20 22:22 ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-25 20:33 ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-25 22:28   ` [Perfctr-devel] " Stephane Eranian
2006-01-25 22:46     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-01-26  7:48       ` Stephane Eranian
2006-01-26 18:26         ` Bryan O'Sullivan
     [not found]     ` <1138649612.4077.50.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]       ` <1138651545.4487.13.camel@camp4.serpentine.com>
     [not found]         ` <1139155731.4279.0.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]           ` <1139245253.27739.8.camel@camp4.serpentine.com>
2006-02-10 15:36             ` perfmon2 code review: 32-bit ABI on 64-bit OS Stephane Eranian
2006-02-10 18:27               ` Bryan O'Sullivan
     [not found]                 ` <1139681785.4316.33.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2006-02-11 22:33                   ` [perfmon] " Stephane Eranian
2006-02-12 23:46                     ` [Perfctr-devel] " David Gibson
2006-02-13  0:03                       ` Eric Gouriou
2006-02-13 20:31                         ` Stephane Eranian
     [not found]                     ` <1139857076.4342.10.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2006-02-14 23:41                       ` [Perfctr-devel] " Stephane Eranian
2006-02-20 17:54                       ` Stephane Eranian [this message]
2006-02-13 20:34                 ` Stephane Eranian

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