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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: john@johnmccutchan.com
Cc: holt@sgi.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rml@novell.com,
	arnd@arndb.de, hch@lst.de
Subject: Re: udevd is killing file write performance.
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:12:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060222151223.5c9061fd.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1140648776.1729.5.camel@localhost.localdomain>

John McCutchan <john@johnmccutchan.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2006-22-02 at 11:50 -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 11:48:23AM -0500, John McCutchan wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2006-22-02 at 07:42 -0600, Robin Holt wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I know _VERY_ little about filesystems.  udevd appears to be looking
> > > > at /etc/udev/rules.d.  This bumps inotify_watches to 1.  The file
> > > > being written is on an xfs filesystem mounted at a different mountpoint.
> > > > Could the inotify flag be moved from a global to a sb (or something
> > > > finer) point and therefore avoid taking the dentry->d_lock when there
> > > > is no possibility of a watch event being queued.
> > > 
> > > We could do this, and avoid the problem, but only in this specific
> > > scenario. The file being written is on a different mountpoint but whats
> > > to stop a different app from running inotify on that mount point?
> > > Perhaps the program could be altered instead? 
> > 
> > Looking at fsnotify_access() I think we could hit the same scenario.
> > Are you proposing we alter any appliction where multiple threads read
> > a single data file to first make a hard link to that data file and each
> > read from their private copy?  I don't think that is a very reasonable
> > suggestion.
> 
> Listen, what I'm saying is that your suggested change will only help in
> one specific scenario, and simply having inotify used on the 'wrong'
> mountpoint will get you back to square one. So, your suggestion isn't
> really a solution, but a way of avoiding the real problem. What I *am*
> suggesting is that a real fix be found,

I have a bad feeling about this one.  It'd be nice to have an exact
understanding of the problen source, but if it's just lots of traffic on
->d_lock we're kinda stuck.  I don't expect we'll run off and RCUify
d_parent or turn d_lock into a seq_lock or anything liek that.

Then again, maybe making d_lock an rwlock _will_ help - if this workload is
also hitting tree_lock (Robin?) and we're not seeing suckiness due to that
then perhaps the rwlock is magically helping.


> instead of your hack.

It's not a terribly bad hack - it's just poor-man's hashing, and it's
reasonably well-suited to the sorts of machines and workloads which we
expect will hit this problem.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-22 23:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-22 13:42 Robin Holt
2006-02-22 13:55 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 16:48 ` John McCutchan
2006-02-22 17:50   ` Robin Holt
2006-02-22 20:05     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-22 21:50       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-02-23 12:56       ` Robin Holt
2006-02-23 13:42         ` David Chinner
2006-02-22 22:52     ` John McCutchan
2006-02-22 23:12       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-02-22 23:41         ` John McCutchan
2006-02-24  0:14           ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-24  0:14           ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-24  5:47             ` John McCutchan
2006-02-24  6:00               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-24  7:07                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-24  7:16                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-24  7:19                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-26 16:58                       ` John McCutchan
2006-02-24 18:56                   ` Robin Holt
2006-02-25  2:44                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-25 15:53                     ` [patch] inotify: lock avoidance with parent watch status in dentry Nick Piggin
2006-02-28  0:48                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-26 16:55                   ` udevd is killing file write performance John McCutchan
2006-02-27 10:11                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-27 20:17                       ` John McCutchan
2006-02-23 20:38         ` Benjamin LaHaise

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