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From: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Virtualization Mailing List <virtualization@lists.osdl.org>,
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	Dan Arai <arai@vmware.com>, Anne Holler <anne@vmware.com>,
	Pratap Subrahmanyam <pratap@vmware.com>,
	Christopher Li <chrisl@vmware.com>,
	Joshua LeVasseur <jtl@ira.uka.de>, Rik Van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Jyothy Reddy <jreddy@vmware.com>, Jack Lo <jlo@vmware.com>,
	Kip Macy <kmacy@fsmware.com>, Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>,
	Ky Srinivasan <ksrinivasan@novell.com>,
	Wim Coekaerts <wim.coekaerts@oracle.com>,
	Leendert van Doorn <leendert@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH 1/24] i386 Vmi documentation
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:57:20 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060315025720.GN12807@sorel.sous-sol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <441743BD.1070108@vmware.com>

* Zachary Amsden (zach@vmware.com) wrote:
> >1) can't use stack based args, so have to allocate each data structure,
> >which could conceivably fail unless it's some fixed buffer.
> 
> We use a fixed buffer that is private to our VMI layer.  It's a per-cpu 
> packing struct for hypercalls.  Dynamically allocating from the kernel 
> inside the interface layer is a really great way to get into a whole lot 
> of trouble.

Heh, indeed that's why I asked.  per-cpu buffer means ROM state knows
which vcpu is current.  How is this done in OS agnostic method w/out
trapping to hypervisor?  Some shared data that ROM and VMM know about,
and VMM updates as it schedules each vcpu?

> >2) complicates the rom implementation slightly where implementation of
> >each deferrable part of the API needs to have switch (am I deferred or
> >not) to then build the batch, or make direct hypercall.
> 
> This is an overhead that is easily absorbed by the gain.  The direct 
> hypercalls are mostly either always direct, or always queued.  The page 
> table updates already have conditional logic to do the right thing, and 
> Xen doesn't require the queueing of these anymore anyways.  And the 
> flush happens at an explicit point.  The best approach can still be fine 
> tuned.  You could have separate VMI calls for queued vs. non-queued 
> operation.  But that greatly bloats the interface and doesn't make sense 
> for everything.  I believe the best solution is to annotate this in the 
> VMI call itself.  Consider the VMI call number, not as an integer, but 
> as an identifier tuple.  Perhaps I'm going overboard here.  Perhaps not.
> 
> 31--------24-23---------16-15--------8-7-----------0
> | family   | call number | reserved  | annotation |
> ---------------------------------------------------

I agree with your final assessment, needs more threshing out.  It does
feel a bit overkill at first blush.  I worry about these semantic
changes as an annotation instead of explicit API update.  But I guess
we still have more work on finding the right actual interface, not just
the possible ways to annotate the calls.

thanks,
-chris

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-15  2:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200603131759.k2DHxeep005627@zach-dev.vmware.com>
     [not found] ` <20060313224902.GD12807@sorel.sous-sol.org>
2006-03-14  0:00   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-14 21:27     ` Chris Wright
     [not found]       ` <441743BD.1070108@vmware.com>
2006-03-15  2:57         ` Chris Wright [this message]
2006-03-15  5:44           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 22:56           ` Daniel Arai
2006-03-16  1:16       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-16  3:40         ` Eli Collins
2006-03-14  4:11 ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-22 20:05 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 21:34   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 21:13     ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 21:57       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23  0:06       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 21:39   ` [RFC, PATCH 1/24] i386 Vmi documentation II Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 22:43     ` Daniel Arai
2006-03-22 22:45     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 22:38       ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 23:54         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 23:37           ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 22:04   ` [RFC, PATCH 1/24] i386 Vmi documentation Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 21:58     ` Andi Kleen

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