From: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH 1/24] i386 Vmi documentation
Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:57:20 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060315025720.GN12807@sorel.sous-sol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <441743BD.1070108@vmware.com>
* Zachary Amsden (zach@vmware.com) wrote:
> >1) can't use stack based args, so have to allocate each data structure,
> >which could conceivably fail unless it's some fixed buffer.
>
> We use a fixed buffer that is private to our VMI layer. It's a per-cpu
> packing struct for hypercalls. Dynamically allocating from the kernel
> inside the interface layer is a really great way to get into a whole lot
> of trouble.
Heh, indeed that's why I asked. per-cpu buffer means ROM state knows
which vcpu is current. How is this done in OS agnostic method w/out
trapping to hypervisor? Some shared data that ROM and VMM know about,
and VMM updates as it schedules each vcpu?
> >2) complicates the rom implementation slightly where implementation of
> >each deferrable part of the API needs to have switch (am I deferred or
> >not) to then build the batch, or make direct hypercall.
>
> This is an overhead that is easily absorbed by the gain. The direct
> hypercalls are mostly either always direct, or always queued. The page
> table updates already have conditional logic to do the right thing, and
> Xen doesn't require the queueing of these anymore anyways. And the
> flush happens at an explicit point. The best approach can still be fine
> tuned. You could have separate VMI calls for queued vs. non-queued
> operation. But that greatly bloats the interface and doesn't make sense
> for everything. I believe the best solution is to annotate this in the
> VMI call itself. Consider the VMI call number, not as an integer, but
> as an identifier tuple. Perhaps I'm going overboard here. Perhaps not.
>
> 31--------24-23---------16-15--------8-7-----------0
> | family | call number | reserved | annotation |
> ---------------------------------------------------
I agree with your final assessment, needs more threshing out. It does
feel a bit overkill at first blush. I worry about these semantic
changes as an annotation instead of explicit API update. But I guess
we still have more work on finding the right actual interface, not just
the possible ways to annotate the calls.
thanks,
-chris
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-03-15 2:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <200603131759.k2DHxeep005627@zach-dev.vmware.com>
[not found] ` <20060313224902.GD12807@sorel.sous-sol.org>
2006-03-14 0:00 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-14 21:27 ` Chris Wright
[not found] ` <441743BD.1070108@vmware.com>
2006-03-15 2:57 ` Chris Wright [this message]
2006-03-15 5:44 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 22:56 ` Daniel Arai
2006-03-16 1:16 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-16 3:40 ` Eli Collins
2006-03-14 4:11 ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-22 20:05 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 21:34 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 21:13 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 21:57 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23 0:06 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 21:39 ` [RFC, PATCH 1/24] i386 Vmi documentation II Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 22:43 ` Daniel Arai
2006-03-22 22:45 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 22:38 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 23:54 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 23:37 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 22:04 ` [RFC, PATCH 1/24] i386 Vmi documentation Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 21:58 ` Andi Kleen
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