From: Jan-Benedict Glaw <jbglaw@lug-owl.de>
To: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
devmazumdar <dev@opensound.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to check if kernel sources are installed on a system?
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 00:38:03 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060528223803.GT13513@lug-owl.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1148853773.28334.9.camel@mindpipe>
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On Sun, 2006-05-28 18:02:53 -0400, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-05-28 at 23:55 +0200, Jan-Benedict Glaw wrote:
> Chicken and egg problem. Users have hardware and they want to run Linux
> on it. It's not always feasible for them to verify Linux compatibility
> before they buy. And some vendors like BenQ even ship a Linux CD with
> their laptops even though the sound doesn't work on any BenQ system -
> they obviously did not even try it. So we have a large population of
> users who would love to run Linux but can't until we support their
> hardware.
In my world, "we" also contains the user. If a user doesn't want to
eg. re-test with upstream kernels or consider to put other efforts
(like paying developers or learning to code), then re doesn't *really*
want it supported.
> > If there's a user that *really* wants that hardware supported,
> > then they will put effort into getting it to work, either by helping
> > debugging, hacking or by paying some expert to reverse-engineer an
> > existing driver.
>
> There are many users who *really* want their hardware supported but
> don't have the funds or the know-how to do any of these. Like all of
> these users:
>
> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1134
I accept the no-money argument, but not the no-knowledge one. Anybody
can learn, can't they?
MfG, JBG
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Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-05-25 21:19 devmazumdar
2006-05-25 21:27 ` alan
2006-05-25 21:29 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-25 22:02 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-25 22:15 ` 4Front Technologies
2006-05-25 22:25 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-25 22:34 ` Dave Jones
2006-05-25 22:40 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-25 21:29 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-25 21:35 ` Dave Jones
2006-05-25 21:32 ` Michal Piotrowski
2006-05-25 21:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-25 21:39 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-25 21:42 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-05-26 14:36 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-25 21:44 ` Dave Jones
2006-05-25 22:52 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-05-26 4:23 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-26 14:37 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-26 15:01 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-27 10:47 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-25 21:41 ` Dave Jones
2006-05-25 22:29 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-25 22:39 ` 4Front Technologies
2006-05-25 23:06 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-25 23:16 ` 4Front Technologies
2006-05-26 0:12 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-25 23:00 ` Diego Calleja
2006-05-26 0:24 ` Måns Rullgård
2006-05-26 14:29 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-26 15:35 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-27 12:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-27 19:52 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-27 20:21 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-27 22:21 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-28 8:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-28 10:13 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-27 14:41 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-27 22:05 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-28 13:03 ` Heiko Carstens
2006-05-28 13:12 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-28 13:45 ` Heiko Carstens
2006-05-28 17:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-28 17:52 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-28 18:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-28 18:22 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-05-28 19:10 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-28 19:55 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-28 20:45 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-28 21:27 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-28 21:55 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-05-28 22:02 ` Lee Revell
2006-05-28 22:38 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw [this message]
2006-05-29 12:11 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-29 12:38 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-05-29 4:44 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-29 4:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-29 5:35 ` 4Front Technologies
2006-05-29 5:46 ` David Miller
2006-05-29 5:59 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-29 6:09 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-29 6:11 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-29 6:57 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-29 7:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-29 7:29 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-29 7:05 ` 4Front Technologies
2006-05-29 7:23 ` Brian F. G. Bidulock
2006-05-29 7:43 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-05-29 12:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-29 15:52 ` Christopher Friesen
2006-05-29 16:00 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-28 20:40 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-25 22:51 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-05-26 0:09 ` Thomas Backlund
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