From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S965156AbWGJSAx (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:00:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S965194AbWGJSAx (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:00:53 -0400 Received: from turing-police.cc.vt.edu ([128.173.14.107]:20641 "EHLO turing-police.cc.vt.edu") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965156AbWGJSAw (ORCPT ); Mon, 10 Jul 2006 14:00:52 -0400 Message-Id: <200607101759.k6AHxbda012403@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.7.2 01/07/2005 with nmh-1.2 To: Daniel Bonekeeper Cc: Pavel Machek , Adrian Bunk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Automatic Kernel Bug Report In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:40:07 CDT." From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu References: <6bffcb0e0607090245t2dbcd394n86ce91eec661f215@mail.gmail.com> <20060709125805.GF13938@stusta.de> <20060709191107.GN13938@stusta.de> <200607092019.k69KJt66005527@turing-police.cc.vt.edu> <20060710081131.GA2251@elf.ucw.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="==_Exmh_1152554377_3170P"; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:59:37 -0400 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --==_Exmh_1152554377_3170P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 12:40:07 CDT, Daniel Bonekeeper said: > real bugs. If so, they get reported here on LKML. Since we can expect, > maybe, dozens of thousands of reports per week, wouldn't be hard to > distinct between real bugs, etc (if we use frequency as a marker). Actually, at that level, it *is* hard to distinguish. I'm sure the RedHat people have a *very* good idea of exactly how much PEBKAC cruft their bugzilla gathers - and that's from users clued enough to bugzilla. It might be interesting to use it to measure how many machines crap out because of stray single-bit errors due to insufficient ECC on the hardware. You can't use "a sudden upsurge" in reports as a good regression test, because the vast majority of boxes are running distro kernels. RHEL 4.0 just shipped a 2.6.9-34 kernel. Ubuntu is on a 2.6.15. And the people who are using kernel.org kernels aren't actually upgrading all *that* fast either. You'll get better info by looking at the lkml postings that say '2.6.mumble regressed my foobar' - that will likely trigger before any statistical tendency in bug reports gets noticed. (Visit the bugzilla.mozilla.org, and note that neither 'most frequently reported' nor 'reported today' give you a really good grasp on *current* issues....) --==_Exmh_1152554377_3170P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Exmh version 2.5 07/13/2001 iD8DBQFEspWJcC3lWbTT17ARAhNWAKDLKbwiBv3Ts1qY8cCReOojFPAUIwCg/Wcc 69SuBP/kXVlXeuuzKPt3MVI= =Z+RD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --==_Exmh_1152554377_3170P--