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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com>
Cc: Nicholas Miell <nmiell@comcast.net>,
	Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	Richard J Moore <richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@redhat.com>,
	Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	William Cohen <wcohen@redhat.com>,
	"Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Subject: Re: tracepoint maintainance models
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 02:56:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060918005624.GA30835@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <450DEEA5.7080808@opersys.com>


* Karim Yaghmour <karim@opersys.com> wrote:

> There is, actually, no reason to believe that end-users of dynamic 
> trace infrastructures are any more tolerant to breakage than, say, 
> those of the *old* ltt. [...]

are you saying that if i replaced half of the static markups with 
function attributes (which would still provide equivalent functionality 
to dynamic tracers), or if i removed a few dozen static markups with 
dynamic scripts (which change too would be transparent to users of 
dynamic tracers), that in this case users of static tracers would /not/ 
claim that tracing broke?

i fully understand that you can _teach_ the removal of static 
tracepoints to LTT (and i'd expect no less from a tracer), but will 
users accept the regression? I claim that they wont, and that's the 
important issue. Frankly, i find it highly amusing that such seemingly 
simple points have to be argued for such a long time. Is this really 
necessary?

(since the rest of your mail seems to build on this premise, i'll wait 
for your reply before replying to the rest.)

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-18  1:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-17  9:40 The emperor is naked: why *comprehensive* static markup belongs in mainline Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 11:21 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-17 14:36   ` tracepoint maintainance models Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:02     ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 15:09       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 17:18         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 23:27           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 23:41           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  0:17             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  9:01               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-17 20:37         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:36     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  0:07       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  1:12         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  1:13           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  2:32             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  2:57               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  3:54                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:43                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  2:43             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  3:21               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:26                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  5:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 12:25             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 15:02               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 15:45                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:48                 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 15:22                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:19                     ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 16:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 17:02                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 16:15                       ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 17:02                         ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 17:27                           ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 18:04                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 17:54                               ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-18 18:05                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 19:10                           ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-18 19:49                             ` Alan Cox
2006-09-18 19:39                               ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 20:28                               ` Vara Prasad
2006-10-06  5:33                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-06 13:01                                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-10-06 14:23                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-10-06 23:17                                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-09-18 15:47                   ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-18 15:42                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:30                 ` MARKER mechanism, try 2 Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 16:28                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 17:47                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 19:39                       ` Alan Cox
2006-09-17 20:19     ` tracepoint maintainance models Nicholas Miell
2006-09-17 23:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  0:05         ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  1:52           ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-19 12:58           ` tracing - consensus building insteat of dogfights Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-19 13:25             ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-19 13:45             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 14:25               ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  0:10         ` tracepoint maintainance models Nicholas Miell
2006-09-18  0:43           ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-18  0:56         ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  0:56           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2006-09-18  2:09             ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  3:30               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  3:52                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-09-18  4:11                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:24                   ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  5:03                       ` LTTng and SystemTAP (Everyone who is scared to read this huge thread, skip to here) Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:11                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-23 15:50                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18  5:37                       ` tracepoint maintainance models Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 20:12                   ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-18  4:14                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  4:09                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18  4:57                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18  1:03   ` The emperor is naked: why *comprehensive* static markup belongs in mainline Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 15:53 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-18 17:28   ` Karim Yaghmour

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