From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@us.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@timesys.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
manfred@colorfullife.com, oleg@tv-sign.ru
Subject: Re: [patch] cpufreq: mark cpufreq_tsc() as core_initcall_sync
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 21:57:46 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061118055746.GB6059@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061117205103.847081a4.akpm@osdl.org>
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 08:51:03PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 23:33:45 -0500 (EST)
> Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2006, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > > > Perhaps a better approach to the initialization problem would be to assume
> > > > that either:
> > > >
> > > > 1. The srcu_struct will be initialized before it is used, or
> > > >
> > > > 2. When it is used before initialization, the system is running
> > > > only one thread.
> > >
> > > Are these assumptions valid? If so, they would indeed simplify things
> > > a bit.
> >
> > I don't know. Maybe Andrew can tell us -- is it true that the kernel runs
> > only one thread up through the time the core_initcalls are finished?
>
> I don't see why - a core_initcall could go off and do the
> multithreaded-pci-probing thing, or it could call kernel_thread() or
> anything. I doubt if any core_initcall functions _do_ do that, but there
> are a lot of them.
>
> > If not, can we create another initcall level that is guaranteed to run
> > before any threads are spawned?
>
> It's a simple and cheap matter to create a precore_initcall() - one would
> need to document it carefully to be able to preserve whatever guarantees it
> needs.
>
> However by the time the initcalls get run, various thing are already
> happening: SMP is up, the keventd threads are running, the CPU scheduler
> migration threads are running, ksoftirqd, softlockup-detector, etc.
> keventd is the problematic one.
>
> So I guess you'd need a new linker section and a call from
> do_pre_smp_initcalls() or thereabouts.
Hmmm... OK then, for the moment, I will stick with the current checks
in the primitives. Not that I particularly like the "bulking up" of
srcu_read_lock() and srcu_read_unlock() -- but if the super-fast
version is needed, it can easily be provided either within the
confines of the subsystem that needs it, or as yet another set of
RCU-like primitives. Hopefully this latter option can be avoided!
BTW, the reason for the hardluckref is that I don't want to inflict a
failure return from srcu_read_lock() on you guys. The non-blocking
synchronization community has repeatedly made that sort of mistake,
and I have no intention of letting it propagate any further. ;-)
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-11-18 6:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-11-16 20:00 BUG: cpufreq notification broken Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 20:15 ` [patch] cpufreq: mark cpufreq_tsc() as core_initcall_sync Ingo Molnar
2006-11-16 20:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 22:03 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-16 22:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-17 3:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-17 6:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 9:29 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-17 18:39 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-18 0:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 16:15 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 17:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 19:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 21:00 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 21:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-18 22:13 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 22:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 20:12 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 17:19 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 17:58 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 19:39 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:13 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 21:39 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 7:39 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 18:57 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-20 20:01 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-20 20:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-21 20:54 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 22:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 16:44 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-21 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 23:03 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-22 2:17 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 17:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-26 22:25 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 21:10 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-28 1:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 19:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:22 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 17:55 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 17:56 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-21 19:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 20:40 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-22 18:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-21 21:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-22 0:51 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 18:46 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:07 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 7:15 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 16:59 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 17:55 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-20 20:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-20 20:21 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-18 19:02 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 19:15 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-17 19:27 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 0:38 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-18 4:33 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-18 4:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-18 5:57 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2006-11-19 19:00 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 20:21 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 20:55 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:09 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-19 21:17 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 21:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 22:28 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-20 5:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 21:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-19 21:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-19 22:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-23 14:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-23 20:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-23 21:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-23 21:49 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 4:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-24 18:21 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-24 20:04 ` Jens Axboe
2006-11-24 20:47 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-24 21:13 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-25 3:24 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-25 17:14 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-25 22:06 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-26 21:34 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 5:02 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-27 16:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-27 16:56 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-29 19:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-29 20:16 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-29 23:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-30 0:01 ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-11-17 2:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2006-11-16 20:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-11-16 21:20 ` Andrew Morton
2006-11-16 21:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-20 19:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-11-16 20:27 ` BUG: cpufreq notification broken Alan Stern
2006-11-16 21:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:26 ` Alan Stern
2006-11-16 21:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-11-16 21:56 ` Alan Stern
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