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From: linux@horizon.com
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux@horizon.com
Subject: Re: single bit errors on files stored on USB-HDDs via USB2/usb_storage
Date: 10 Dec 2006 03:44:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061210084453.13702.qmail@science.horizon.com> (raw)

How the wires can cause single-bit errors is a bit beyond me;
USB protects every bit on the wire well enough that communication
errors should be detected.

Every packet starts with an identifier byte; this contains a 4-bit packet
identifier repeated twice.

Some small "token" packets have an 11-bit payload (7 address and 4
endpoint bits) and a 5-bit CRC.

Any corruption of those would result in USB state machine confusion and
at least large data gaps.

Packets with an actual data payload are protected with a CRC-16.
Not quite as strong as Ethernet, but sufficient to detect all errors of
three bits or less, and all burst errors of 16 consecutive bits or less.

A single-bit flip can't get past a CRC-16 unless you flip at least
three bits in the CRC as well.  The actual pattern depends on the bit
position and averages 8 bits; given the documented bit error positions
and a better knowledge of the ATA-over-USB encapsulation protocol,
the actual CRC changes could be computed.


Now, I can imagine a USB slave controller so cheap and/or buggy that it
doesn't check the CRC, but I'd think that most would.  Checking a CRC
is hardly a novel challenge.

             reply	other threads:[~2006-12-10  8:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-10  8:44 linux [this message]
2006-12-10 15:37 ` Clemens Koller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-12-07 18:08 [usb-storage] " Alan Stern
2006-12-07 19:41 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-12-07 23:45   ` Pete Zaitcev
2006-12-08  9:16     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-12-08 12:21       ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-08 16:18         ` John Stoffel
     [not found] <fa./xvi+/Ji/HqNkvnGjUt4pIS9goM@ifi.uio.no>
2006-12-07  0:02 ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-07  9:03   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
     [not found] ` <fa.nPT9ZJ5poT8fZx3aWy0MqRK/gto@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.aML3aAeWqfac08XNpQa7Zu0AC8w@ifi.uio.no>
2006-12-08  3:18     ` Robert Hancock
2006-12-08  9:07       ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-12-08 10:25         ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-08 10:39           ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-12-08 11:01             ` Oliver Neukum
2006-12-08 12:27               ` Stefan Richter
2006-12-09  6:11               ` Ben Nizette
2006-12-09  8:18                 ` Oliver Neukum
2006-12-09 10:16                   ` Ben Nizette
2006-12-06 22:01 Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-12-07 22:10 ` DervishD
2006-12-07 22:57   ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2006-12-07 23:05     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-08  9:32     ` DervishD

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