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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:51:05 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612202051.06623.david-b@pacbell.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061221040648.GA1499@srcf.ucam.org>

On Wednesday 20 December 2006 8:06 pm, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2006 at 07:04:28PM -0800, David Brownell wrote:
> > On Wednesday 20 December 2006 5:29 pm, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> > > I dislike that.
> > 
> > Tough noogies, as they say.  In a tradeoff between correctness and your
> > personal taste (or even mine, sigh!), the normal tradeoff is in favor
> > of correctness.
> 
> But it's not correct - the test prohibits suspending devices even if 
> it would be safe to do so.

It prohibits suspending them unless it's known to be safe.  What your
patch does is add some more ways to know it's safe.  My comment was
that while adding ways is safe, it's incorrect to allow things which
aren't known to be safe.


> > > We're asking to suspend an individual device - whether  
> > > the bus supports devices that need to suspend with interrupts disabled 
> > > is irrelevent, it's the device that we care about. We should just make 
> > > it necessary for every bus to support this method until the interface is 
> > > removed.
> > 
> > But you _didn't_ do anything to "make it necessary".  Which means that
> > your patch *WILL* cause bugs whenever a driver uses those calls, and
> > courtesy of your patch userspace tries to suspend that device ... 
> 
> New patch attached.

I'll have a look at it after I get past some other stuff.  I take it that
you tested this by now?  I assume it'd work, but you know how that goes.

- Dave

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-21  4:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-19 18:52 Changes to sysfs PM layer break userspace Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 19:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 19:44   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:03     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:08       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:23         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-19 20:32           ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 20:55             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-21  0:08               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-12-19 21:34             ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  0:25               ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  3:59                 ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20  4:26                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  5:14                     ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  5:34                       ` Greg KH
2006-12-20  5:52                         ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  7:50                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 12:53                             ` Network drivers that don't suspend on interface down Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 13:38                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 14:31                                 ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 15:51                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 22:49                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-20 23:37                                       ` Rick Jones
2006-12-19 23:51                                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21  0:11                                       ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-20  0:26                                         ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-12-21 11:18                                           ` Francois Romieu
2006-12-21  1:12                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  2:05                                         ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21  2:18                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  2:38                                             ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21  2:45                                               ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:08                                                 ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21  3:25                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:37                                                     ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:29                                                   ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:14                                             ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:14                                               ` jamal
2006-12-21  2:29                                         ` Daniel Drake
2006-12-21  2:10                                     ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-12-21  8:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22  1:03                                   ` Herbert Xu
2006-12-23  8:54                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-20 15:27                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 15:34                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 16:40                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-12-20 17:21                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 20:40                                         ` Benny Amorsen
2006-12-20 21:49                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-20 21:15                                     ` Stefan Rompf
2006-12-20 14:00                               ` Jiri Benc
2006-12-20 18:12                                 ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  1:15                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  1:57                                     ` Michael Wu
2006-12-21  2:20                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:02                                         ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:06                                     ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21  3:14                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:32                                         ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 13:19                                           ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-12-21 17:16                                             ` Dan Williams
2006-12-21 18:27                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-12-22  1:25                                         ` Matt Domsch
2006-12-20 16:04                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2006-12-22 21:09                       ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek
2006-12-24  7:02                         ` David Brownell
2006-12-28 13:31                           ` Alan
2006-12-28 16:04                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-29  5:27                             ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  2:15               ` Changes to sysfs " Andrew Morton
2006-12-20  2:35                 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-12-20  3:49                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-20  3:29                 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  3:51                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  4:56                     ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  5:02                       ` Andrew Morton
2006-12-21  7:05                         ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  8:27                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-22 20:44     ` Pavel Machek
2006-12-23 14:02       ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-12-19 21:22 ` David Brownell
2006-12-19 22:57   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-19 23:36     ` Changes to " David Brownell
2006-12-20  0:09       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  3:19         ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  3:43           ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20  4:15             ` David Brownell
2006-12-20  4:56               ` [PATCH 1/2] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state Matthew Garrett
2006-12-20 21:18                 ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  1:29                   ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  3:04                     ` David Brownell
2006-12-21  4:06                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-12-21  4:51                         ` David Brownell [this message]
2007-01-25  5:00                         ` [PATCH] Fix /sys/device/.../power/state regression Matthew Garrett
2007-01-26 19:59                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-26 20:42                             ` Greg KH
2007-01-27  1:26                               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27 17:19                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-26 20:41                           ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 21:56                             ` David Brownell
2007-01-26 22:19                               ` Greg KH
2007-01-26 23:15                               ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27  0:42                                 ` David Brownell
2007-01-27  0:56                                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-01-27  2:40                                     ` David Brownell
2007-01-27 17:38                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27 22:42                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-31 10:34                                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-27  1:19                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-01-27  3:02                                     ` David Brownell
2007-01-29 17:36                                       ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-01-27 13:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-30 18:43                             ` Eric Piel
2007-01-30 18:47                               ` Oliver Neukum
2007-01-30 19:01                                 ` Eric Piel
2007-01-31 10:55                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-01-31 11:03                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2006-12-20  4:56               ` [PATCH 2/2] Update feature-removal-schedule.txt Matthew Garrett
2006-12-22 20:47         ` Changes to PM layer break userspace Pavel Machek

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