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From: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
To: jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de
Cc: wmb@firmworks.com, devel@laptop.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jg@laptop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Open Firmware device tree virtual filesystem
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:45:31 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20061231.124531.125895122.davem@davemloft.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0612311350060.32449@yvahk01.tjqt.qr>

From: Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@linux01.gwdg.de>
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:12:26 +0100 (MET)

> BUT, the eeprom utility may be used to modify values, and if used, I
> would like to see ofwfs show the updated value. openpromfs does it
> today:
> 
> 15:09 ares:/proc/openprom/options # cat oem-banner?
> false
> 15:09 ares:/proc/openprom/options # eeprom 'oem-banner?=true'
> 15:09 ares:/proc/openprom/options # cat oem-banner?
> true
> 
> (BTW, why does not openpromfs have it rw?)

It used to be able to :-)

When I changed sparc/sparc64 over to an in-memory copy of the
OFW tree, I wasn't able to retain writable property support
in openpromfs.  It just needs to be implemented and I never
found the desire nor time.

Happily, everyone uses 'eeprom' or some other program accessing
the tree via /dev/openprom to change values.

I'm incredibly surprised how much resistence there is from the
i386 OFW folks to do this right.  It would be like 80 lines of
code to suck the device tree into kernel memory, or if they don't
want to do that they can use inline function wrappers to provide
the clean C-language interface to all of this and the cost to
i386-OFW would be zero with the benefit that other platforms could
use the code potentially.

Doing the same thing 3 different ways, knowingly, is just very bad
engineering.  That is how you end up with a big fat pile of
unmaintainable poo instead of a clean maintainable source tree.  If we
fix a bug in one of these things, the other 2 are so different that if
the bug is in the others we'll never know and it's not easy to check
so people won't do it.

So please do this crap right.

Thanks.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-31 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-31  1:38 Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31  5:19 ` David Miller
2006-12-31  9:36   ` Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31  9:52     ` David Miller
2006-12-31 10:11     ` David Kahn
2006-12-31 10:49       ` David Miller
2006-12-31 11:47         ` Rene Rebe
2006-12-31 11:53         ` David Kahn
2007-01-01  3:48           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  3:56           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 18:43             ` Richard Smith
2006-12-31 15:41         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-12-31 20:46           ` David Miller
2007-01-01  3:37             ` David Kahn
2007-01-01  8:54               ` David Miller
2007-01-02  4:02               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 12:28                 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01  3:33           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01  8:57             ` David Miller
2007-01-01 17:48               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01 23:08                 ` David Miller
2007-01-01 23:52                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  3:31                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02 11:26                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  1:40                   ` David Kahn
2007-01-02  3:36                     ` David Miller
2007-01-01 18:10               ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-01 19:21                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02  4:05               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  4:30                 ` David Miller
2007-01-02  4:57                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  5:01                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02  5:09                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  5:44                         ` David Miller
2007-01-02 12:36                     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 11:03                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02  3:53     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 12:22       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 20:12         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:28           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:32             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:40               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 22:10                 ` David Miller
2007-01-02 22:05             ` David Miller
2007-01-03  0:48               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  4:34                 ` David Miller
2007-01-03 15:23                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-04  2:15                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02  3:45   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02  3:49     ` David Miller
2007-01-02 11:45     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 20:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-12-31 13:24 ` Pekka Enberg
2006-12-31 18:55   ` Mitch Bradley
2006-12-31 14:12 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-31 20:45   ` David Miller [this message]
2006-12-31 21:30     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-02  3:43     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 11:37       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 13:22         ` Stefan Reinauer
2007-01-02 20:08         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 20:11           ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-02 20:48             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-02 21:37               ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:47                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03  0:35                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  0:44                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03  1:14                       ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  4:35                         ` David Miller
2007-01-02 22:07                 ` David Miller
2007-01-03  0:52                   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  1:13                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-01-03  4:38                       ` David Miller
2007-01-03  5:05                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-01-03 15:59                           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03 15:31                         ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-03  4:34                     ` David Miller
2007-01-02 21:15           ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-02 21:59             ` David Miller
2007-01-01  3:40   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-01  4:21 ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 17:39 ron minnich
2007-01-11 17:53 ` Mitch Bradley
2007-01-11 17:55   ` ron minnich
2007-01-11 18:36     ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 18:20 ` Stefan Reinauer
2007-01-11 18:47   ` Segher Boessenkool
2007-01-11 19:12     ` ron minnich
2007-01-11 19:11   ` ron minnich

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