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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
To: Eduard Bloch <edi@gmx.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, debburn-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org
Subject: Re: broken device locking, sg vs. sg_io on block devices
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:43:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070330134327.GA24030@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070330111744.GA8889@rotes76.wohnheim.uni-kl.de>

On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 01:17:44PM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am talking this issue to LKML now.
> 
> Short story: using O_EXCL on /dev/srX alone does not help to prevent
> other process from killing your burn process by just reading the
> /dev/sgX device associated with yours, and vice versa. We have done the
> best we could to make safe operation (in contrary to Schilling's
> kill-this-evil-hald-thing bitching) but that is not enough, the locking
> has to be established on kernel layer.
> 
> Long story:
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=413960
> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=226019
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debburn-devel/2007-February/000297.html
> and other error messages.
> 
> There is AFAICS no simple way to establish locking across the driver
> borders. If kernel developers have a good idea, any help is appreciated.
> 
> Below are the typical symptoms: wodim operates via /dev/sgX because the
> user chosen it this way, some other process (most likely hald) comes
> along and reads from /dev/sr0 and the drive gets confused. Boom.

You have thre problems here, and none of them are in the kernel :)

First the hardsware is broken when it can't deal with concurrent requests,
I'd try to get a refund for it.  Second wodim should never ever use
/dev/sg if the sr node is available.  And third HAL should stop poking
devices all the time.  Then again hald is a totally lost cause and
I can only recommend to uninstall it ASAP.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-30 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200703261811.21448.gerald@itzgrund.net>
2007-03-30 11:17 ` Eduard Bloch
2007-03-30 13:43   ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2007-03-30 14:21     ` Eduard Bloch
2007-03-30 18:10       ` Alan Cox
2007-03-31 17:07         ` Eduard Bloch
2007-03-31 22:20           ` Alan Cox
2007-03-31 22:40             ` Eduard Bloch
2007-04-01  0:14               ` Alan Cox
2007-04-01  2:34                 ` Oleg Verych
2007-04-07 11:21             ` Eduard Bloch
2007-04-11 10:12               ` Eduard Bloch
2007-04-11 11:31                 ` Alan Cox
2007-04-11 12:19                   ` Eduard Bloch
2007-03-30 19:09       ` Jan Engelhardt

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