From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933814AbXDAS35 (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:29:57 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S933816AbXDAS35 (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:29:57 -0400 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:58327 "EHLO amd.ucw.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933814AbXDAS34 (ORCPT ); Sun, 1 Apr 2007 14:29:56 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 20:29:45 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: David Zeuthen Cc: Maxim , Pete Zaitcev , Alan Stern , gregkh@suse.de, Kernel development list , USB development list Subject: Re: USB: on suspend to ram/disk all usb devices are replugged Message-ID: <20070401182945.GA11239@elf.ucw.cz> References: <200703271824.46804.maximlevitsky@gmail.com> <20070327110524.975e7113.zaitcev@redhat.com> <200703280129.10197.maximlevitsky@gmail.com> <20070401152957.GA5068@ucw.cz> <1175449366.3008.120.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> <20070401175020.GE11146@elf.ucw.cz> <1175450490.3008.128.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1175450490.3008.128.camel@zelda.fubar.dk> X-Warning: Reading this can be dangerous to your mental health. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi! > > Problem is that suspending _with_ removable mass storage devices > > attached just will not work. User will unplug them, then complain > > about corruption. Advanced user will unplug them, work with them > > somewhere else, replug them, then loose filesystem. > > > > Feel free to send patch to teach filesystems to handle this. > > I was suggesting in the Bugzilla that the file system should actually do > this. I don't have a patch for this, sorry. Unfortunately it is a _lot_ of work, so noone has time for that :-(. > > Check your facts. Laptops do not melt. I know, I put them into my bed, > > covered with pillow, and let them complain (evo 560c). ACPI thermals > > can handle that. > > Some laptops may severely overheat especially if the backlight is not > turned off (See: Apple hardware). Pretending that all hardware "just > works" or that all drivers "just work" is nice but not really useful in > the real life especially when we're talking about damaging hardware. Apple should fix their hardware, then. And you should not run Linux there, because their hardware is broken; they assume OS X. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html