From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1030787AbXDKECN (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:02:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1030790AbXDKECN (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:02:13 -0400 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]:55674 "EHLO vms040pub.verizon.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1030787AbXDKECM (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:02:12 -0400 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:01:38 -0400 From: Gene Heskett Subject: Re: I give up In-reply-to: <461BDFEA.8040602@cfl.rr.com> To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: Phillip Susi , Olaf Hering , Dave Dillow , Dave Jones , Jan Engelhardt , "H. Peter Anvin" , Jeff Garzik Message-id: <200704110001.40573.gene.heskett@gmail.com> Organization: Organization? very little MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline References: <200704091007.58535.gene.heskett@gmail.com> <200704100353.14208.gene.heskett@gmail.com> <461BDFEA.8040602@cfl.rr.com> User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tuesday 10 April 2007, Phillip Susi wrote: >Gene Heskett wrote: >> YOU Tell the tar people, they are flabbergasted that linux is >> apparently the only unstable OS that tar can be run on. > >How about cygwin/windows? It has no concept of static device numbers. >And what about external usb disks on any other unix os? Surely they >don't have static minor device numbers in the face of hot plugging? > >The bug is in tar and that is what needs fixed. It should not attach >any meaning to the device number, but rather should assume that the >admin knows what he is doing when he said to backup a given path using a >given incremental backup log, and that he isn't yanking tar's chain and >pointing it to a different path between incremental backups. I violently agree on that point, but the limited conversations I've had with the tar maintainer so far indicates that AFAHIC, its linux that's broken. A new device number is a new disk and must be treated as such. -- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) QOTD: "I'll listen to reason when it comes out on CD."