From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2993133AbXDYXqO (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:46:14 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S2993140AbXDYXqO (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:46:14 -0400 Received: from gprs189-60.eurotel.cz ([160.218.189.60]:55851 "EHLO amd.ucw.cz" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2993133AbXDYXqM (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:46:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:45:49 +0200 From: Pavel Machek To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Nigel Cunningham , Kenneth Crudup , Nick Piggin , Mike Galbraith , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Thomas Gleixner , Con Kolivas , suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net, Ingo Molnar , Andrew Morton , Arjan van de Ven Subject: Re: suspend2 merge (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: CFS and suspend2: hang in atomic copy) Message-ID: <20070425234549.GM17387@elf.ucw.cz> References: <20070425202741.GC17387@elf.ucw.cz> <20070425214420.GG17387@elf.ucw.cz> <1177540027.5025.87.camel@nigel.suspend2.net> <20070425231319.GK17387@elf.ucw.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Warning: Reading this can be dangerous to your mental health. User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi! > > Current design is: > > Broken. Yes. I've tried to tell you. Ok. ... > It's worse than just confusing, it's *idiotic*. > > It _can_ work in practice, but > - we have pretty damn solid evidence that it doesn't work all that often > in practice > - the fact that something *can* be done the stupid way is in no way an > argument that it *should* be done the stupid way. > > I claim that the current STD is *stupid*. Yes, it can work. But that > doesn't make it less stupid. Good. So you understand how it works. > What's your argument? Your argument seems to be that it's not stupid, > because it can work. Can't you see that that simply isn't an > argument at I tried keeping module_init/thaw/resume similar code, so that driver authors can debug suspend-to-disk, cross their fingers, and have suspend-to-ram work, too. Now, perhaps enough people do std/str these days so this is not important any longer... lets hope so. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html