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From: Oleg Verych <olecom@flower.upol.cz>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: arch/i386/boot rewrite, and all the hard-coded video cards
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:18:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070614071802.GJ7266@flower.upol.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4670CDF0.808@zytor.com>

On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:11:12PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Oleg Verych wrote:
> > Thus, text mode on modern hardware isn't useable that much, only with
> > Terminus font it is kind of normal (kudos to Dimitar Toshkov Jekov).
> > But it's only option to unfortunately sucking X11, even with memory
> > bandwidth, you are talking about.
> 
> That's another reason to use the framebuffer console on laptops.

Last time i tried, it wasn't so much fun either. Mainly due to wild
cursor, that in normal text mode is well-behaved thing. Visually fb looks
much heavier. What's the benefit, if you see how windows in emacs are
painted? I don't know how giga-hertz/mem in cpu/sys-ram,
mega-hertz/ram in gpu are doing better job WRT to anything in visual
domain.

Also i don't know what to do in case of bugs/oops and "officially" closed
hardware specs on ATI chips{ref}.

About laptop. First and last time i ran new X11 (X.org) there, it drove
VGA fan really crazy. Don't know how it changed now, it was certainly due
to blindly switching 3D on. I don't want to remove *standard* drivers
because of that stupidness [see ref].

And after whole year being with Debian Sarge only, new application update
led me to just drop all that X stuff and run windoze (silently sold to me
with that laptop) if i need a stupid web browser with all that WEB 2.0
and Java crap...
____

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-14  7:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-01  1:33 H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  1:40 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-05-01  1:42   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02  7:46     ` Martin Mares
2007-05-02  9:22       ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-02 20:49         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-03  2:15         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02 19:05       ` Lennart Sorensen
2007-05-01  1:51 ` Dave Jones
2007-05-01  2:17   ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  2:34     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-01  3:46       ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-01  2:54         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  4:29           ` Andi Kleen
2007-05-01  3:38             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  3:06         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-01  3:21           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  3:41             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-05-01  3:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  2:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-01  2:59   ` Dave Jones
2007-05-01 20:32   ` Rene Herman
2007-05-01 21:01     ` Rene Herman
2007-05-01 21:41     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-05-01 21:52       ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-14  4:51         ` Oleg Verych
2007-06-14  5:11           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-06-14  7:18             ` Oleg Verych [this message]
2007-05-01 22:59       ` Rene Herman
2007-05-01 23:18       ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-05-02 18:22       ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-05-02 20:59         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02 21:07           ` Rene Herman
2007-05-02 21:15             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02 21:20               ` Rene Herman
2007-05-02 21:25                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02 21:39                   ` Rene Herman
2007-05-02 22:11                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02 22:49                       ` Rene Herman
2007-05-02 22:59                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-02 23:18                           ` Rene Herman
2007-05-03  2:09                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-05-01  3:56 ` WANG Cong
2007-05-01 22:41 Vlad
2007-05-01 23:22 ` Rene Herman
2007-05-02  1:10   ` Vlad
2007-05-02 18:25 ` Jan Engelhardt

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