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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
Cc: Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Andrew Morgan <agm@google.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@google.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch
Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:38:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070628153844.GA1977@sergelap.austin.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <924812.95310.qm@web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Quoting Casey Schaufler (casey@schaufler-ca.com):
> 
> --- Andrew Morgan <morgan@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> > 
> > Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > >> Does that explain it?
> > > 
> > > Yes, thanks, but then it still could come in handy to have fE be a full
> > > bitset, so the application gets some eff caps automatically, while
> > > others it has to manually set...
> > 
> > [We touched on this a number of emails back.]
> > 
> > If an application is capability aware, it can manipulate its own
> > capabilities and should have fE=0.
> > 
> > If an application is not capability aware, it needs to have *all* of its
> > capabilities enabled at exec() time. Otherwise, it won't work.
> 
> The intent of the fE vector in the POSIX draft is that those capabilities
> are set on exec (lower vectors permitting). There are cases where it
> does make sense to raise just some (e.g. ping). 
> 
> > The only reason for having an fE bitmap is to allow a capability-aware
> > program (you really trust to do its privileged operations carefully) to
> > be lazy and get some of its capabilities raised for free. Perhaps you
> > can clarify why this is a desirable thing? :-)
> 
> No, it's to allow you to grant a subset of the available capabilities
> to a program that is not aware of capabilities. You can give "date"
> the capability to reset the clock without giving it the capability
> to remove other people's files without changing the code or running
> it setuid.

Would there be a difference between that and setting either fI or fP
(depending on your intent) to those caps, and setting fE=1 in Andrew's
scheme?

thanks,
-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-28 15:39 UTC|newest]

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2007-06-21 16:00               ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-23  8:13                 ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-24 15:51                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-24 16:18                     ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch James Morris
2007-06-24 20:58                       ` [PATCH][RFC] security: Convert LSM into a static interface James Morris
2007-06-24 22:09                         ` Chris Wright
2007-06-24 22:37                           ` James Morris
2007-06-25  1:38                             ` Chris Wright
2007-06-24 23:40                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25  1:39                             ` Chris Wright
2007-06-25  3:37                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25  3:57                                 ` Chris Wright
2007-06-25 13:02                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25 14:24                                 ` Roberto De Ioris
2007-06-25  4:33                           ` [PATCH try #2] " James Morris
2007-06-25  4:48                             ` Petr Vandrovec
2007-06-25  4:58                               ` James Morris
2007-06-25 16:59                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-06-25 23:56                               ` [PATCH try #3] " James Morris
2007-06-25 20:37                             ` [PATCH try #2] " Andreas Gruenbacher
2007-06-25 21:14                               ` James Morris
2007-06-26  3:57                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26 13:15                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 14:06                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26 14:59                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 15:53                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26 18:52                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 18:18                                       ` Greg KH
2007-06-26 18:40                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-26  4:09                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-26  4:25                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-26 13:47                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27  0:07                                   ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-27  0:57                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-06-27  1:22                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-06-27  4:24                                       ` Chris Wright
2007-06-27 13:41                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 14:36                                       ` James Morris
2007-06-27 17:21                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 18:51                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-27 19:28                                             ` James Morris
2007-06-28  2:48                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25  3:57                         ` [PATCH][RFC] " Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25  4:10                           ` Chris Wright
2007-06-25  4:54                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25 13:50                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-25 13:54                             ` James Morris
2007-06-25 14:32                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-25 15:08                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-06-27  5:00                     ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-27 13:16                       ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-28  6:19                         ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-28 13:36                           ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-28 15:14                           ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler
2007-06-28 15:38                             ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2007-06-28 15:56                               ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler
2007-06-29  5:30                                 ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-06-29 13:24                                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-06-29 14:46                                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler
2007-06-28 15:50                             ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-07-02 14:38                   ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Serge E. Hallyn
2007-07-04 21:29                     ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Andrew Morgan
2007-07-04 23:00                       ` implement-file-posix-capabilities.patch Casey Schaufler

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