From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760563AbXGEN62 (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:58:28 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758180AbXGEN6U (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:58:20 -0400 Received: from cavan.codon.org.uk ([217.147.92.49]:35644 "EHLO vavatch.codon.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757833AbXGEN6T (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:58:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 14:57:58 +0100 From: Matthew Garrett To: Pavel Machek Cc: Paul Mackerras , Alan Stern , Johannes Berg , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , Linux-pm mailing list , Kernel development list Message-ID: <20070705135758.GB22177@srcf.ucam.org> References: <18059.6726.218205.104212@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> <18060.15591.556676.28935@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> <20070705091526.GA3084@elf.ucw.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070705091526.GA3084@elf.ucw.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.12-2006-07-14 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: mjg59@codon.org.uk Subject: Re: removing refrigerator does not help with s2ram vs. fuse deadlocks (was Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway) X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:35:45 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on vavatch.codon.org.uk) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jul 05, 2007 at 11:15:26AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > Now, if kernel needs FUSE services for some reason (that's the problem > we hit in s2ram case, right?), we have a deadlock. > > So main problem still seems to be "kernel should not depend on > userland services during suspend", refrigerator or not. And also "Userland should not depend on userland services", which is rather more of a problem. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59@srcf.ucam.org