From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1760910AbXGENyw (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:54:52 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1758148AbXGENyp (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:54:45 -0400 Received: from ogre.sisk.pl ([217.79.144.158]:53686 "EHLO ogre.sisk.pl" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1757456AbXGENyp convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 09:54:45 -0400 From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" To: Oliver Neukum Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: [PATCH] Remove process freezer from suspend to RAM pathway Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2007 16:02:17 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 Cc: Miklos Szeredi , paulus@samba.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, johannes@sipsolutions.net, linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pavel@ucw.cz, mjg59@srcf.ucam.org, benh@kernel.crashing.org References: <18059.10554.955290.148535@cargo.ozlabs.ibm.com> <200707051523.44826.rjw@sisk.pl> <200707051528.34754.oliver@neukum.org> In-Reply-To: <200707051528.34754.oliver@neukum.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200707051602.19042.rjw@sisk.pl> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thursday, 5 July 2007 15:28, Oliver Neukum wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 5. Juli 2007 schrieb Rafael J. Wysocki: > > > It seems pretty clear cut.  Whining about how much problems this will > > > cause won't get us nearer to a solution. > > > > Yes, that's pretty clear cut, but we should start from fixing the drivers. :-) > > If, at a minimum, we can determine that we can STD without a freezer. No, we can't. > It makes no sense to invest a lot of work to face the same problem > again with STD. Arguably, it does make sense, because for many platforms the hibernation is irrelevant and we're going to separate the suspend and hibernation frameworks anyway. Greetings, Rafael -- "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." - Donald Knuth