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From: Al Boldi <a1426z@gawab.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: swap-prefetch:  A smart way to make good use of idle resources (was: updatedb)
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:43:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200707272243.02336.a1426z@gawab.com> (raw)

People wrote:
> >> I believe the users who say their apps really do get paged back in
> >> though, so suspect that's not the case.
> >
> > Stopping the bush-circumference beating, I do not. -ck (and gentoo) have
> > this massive Calimero thing going among their users where people are
> > much less interested in technology than in how the nasty big kernel
> > meanies are keeping them down (*).
>
> I think the problem is elsewhere. Users don't say: "My apps get paged
> back in." They say: "My system is more responsive". They really don't
> care *why* the reaction to a mouse click that takes three seconds with
> a mainline kernel is instantaneous with -ck. Nasty big kernel meanies,
> OTOH, want to understand *why* a patch helps in order to decide whether
> it is really a good idea to merge it. So you've got a bunch of patches
> (aka -ck) which visibly improve the overall responsiveness of a desktop
> system, but apparently no one can conclusively explain why or how they
> achieve that, and therefore they cannot be merged into mainline.
>
> I don't have a solution to that dilemma either.

IMHO, what everybody agrees on, is that swap-prefetch has a positive effect 
in some cases, and nobody can prove an adverse effect (excluding power 
consumption).  The reason for this positive effect is also crystal clear:  
It prefetches from swap on idle into free memory, ie: it doesn't force 
anybody out, and they are the first to be dropped without further swap-out, 
which sounds really smart.

Conclusion:  Either prove swap-prefetch is broken, or get this merged quick.


Thanks!

--
Al


             reply	other threads:[~2007-07-27 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-27 19:43 Al Boldi [this message]
2007-07-27 20:34 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-27 21:51   ` Indan Zupancic
2007-07-27 22:06     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-27 22:20       ` Indan Zupancic
2007-07-27 23:34       ` grundig
2007-07-27 23:59         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-28  0:03         ` Indan Zupancic
2007-07-28 15:42           ` grundig
2007-07-28  1:56 ` Chris Snook
2007-07-28  4:17   ` How can we make page replacement smarter (was: swap-prefetch) Al Boldi
2007-07-28  7:27     ` Chris Snook
2007-07-28 11:11       ` Al Boldi
2007-07-29  4:07         ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29  1:46     ` How can we make page replacement smarter Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 13:09       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-29 15:01         ` Rik van Riel
2007-07-29 14:55       ` Al Boldi
2007-07-28  4:18   ` swap-prefetch: A smart way to make good use of idle resources (was: updatedb) Al Boldi

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