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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: "Ed L. Cashin" <ecashin@coraid.com>
Cc: kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	ak@suse.de, Netdev list <netdev@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: ATA over ethernet swapping
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 00:27:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070731222742.GR2087@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070731162140.GI3206@coraid.com>

Hi!

> ...
> > Is the protocol documented somewhere? aoe.txt only points at
> > HOWTO... aha, protocol is linked from wikipedia.
> > http://www.coraid.com/documents/AoEr10.txt ... perhaps that should be
> > linked from aoe.txt, too?
> 
> Perhaps.  Most people reading the aoe.txt file won't need to refer to
> the protocol itself, though.

Some of your users are developers, too :-). Should I generate a patch?

> > Hmm, aoe protocol is really trivial. Perhaps netpoll/netconsole
> > infrastructure could be used to create driver good enough for
> > swapping? (Ok, it would not neccessarily perform too well, but... we'd
> > simply wait for the reply synchronously. It should be pretty simple).
> 
> I think that in general you still need a way to receive write
> confirmations without allocating memory, and the driver can't provide
> that mechanism.  The problem is that when memory is scarce, writes of
> dirty data must be able to complete, but because memory is scarce,
> there might not be enough to receive and process packets write-reponse
> packets, and the driver has no way of affecting the situation.  That's
> why I think a callback could work: The network layer could allow
> storage drivers to register a callback that recognizes write
> responses.

Hmm, ok, it is not as simple as I thought. include/linux/netpoll.h
already includes mechanism to notify interested parties really soon,
but drivers still call dev_alloc_skb() before that.

> Usually the callback would not be used, but if free pages became so
> scarce that network receives could not take place in a normal fashion,
> the (zero or few) registered callbacks would be used to quickly
> determine whether each packet was a write response.  The distinction
> is important, because write responses can result in the freeing of
> pages.

Hmm, adding GFP_GIVE_ME_EMERGENCY_POOLS to dev_alloc_skb(), then doing

...

int netif_rx(struct sk_buff *skb)
{
	struct softnet_data *queue;
	unsigned long flags;

	/* if netpoll wants it, pretend we never saw it */
	if (netpoll_rx(skb))
		return NET_RX_DROP;

	if (memory_is_still_very_low())
		return NET_RX_DROP;

...should do the trick. Would something like that be acceptable to
network people?
								Pavel
-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-31 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-31 13:58 ATA over ethernet swapping and obfuscated code Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 14:46 ` Sébastien Dugué
2007-07-31 15:03 ` Ed L. Cashin
2007-07-31 15:29   ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-31 16:21     ` Ed L. Cashin
2007-07-31 22:27       ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2007-08-01  9:18         ` ATA over ethernet swapping Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-09 10:11           ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-13  7:45             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-21  7:42               ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-03 12:13       ` ATA over ethernet swapping and obfuscated code Torsten Kaiser

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