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From: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>
To: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org>
Cc: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>,
	linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Rogan Dawes <lists@dawes.za.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [linux-usb-devel] [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by default on certain device classes
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 18:08:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200708031808.11903.oliver@neukum.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070803150303.GA19968@srcf.ucam.org>

Am Freitag 03 August 2007 schrieb Matthew Garrett:
> > Which is why I didn't suggest doing that, of course.  The only
> > one making that kind of straw man argument seems to be you.
> 
> But however you phrase it, that's effectively what it is. "Does your 
> device work?" just makes users wonder why the damn computer doesn't know 
> already. "This option may prevent your device from working. Click here 
> to switch it off" results in them wondering why it was switched on in 
> the first place. Many of our users aren't technical - they don't care 
> about saving 200mW, they just care about their printer working when they 
> plug it in.

Devices rarely simply crash. Although Windows doesn't do runtime power
management, it certainly will suspend all devices when the system goes
into suspension. Buggy devices typically disconnect and reconnect when
resumed. This is testable for in software without user intervention.

	Regards
		Oliver


  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-03 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-02 23:56 Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03  1:15 ` Greg KH
2007-08-03  1:47   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03  2:46     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Alan Stern
2007-08-03  6:01       ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 11:28         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 11:44           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 12:04             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 12:26               ` Rogan Dawes
2007-08-03 12:32                 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:01                   ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 14:09                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:28                       ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 14:33                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:41                           ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 15:10                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:43                           ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 14:53                             ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dave Jones
2007-08-03 14:58                               ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 15:24                               ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 15:29                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 17:47                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 15:25                               ` Adam Kropelin
2007-08-03 15:31                                 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-08-03 15:48                                   ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 16:49                                     ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 16:55                                     ` Adam Kropelin
2007-08-03 15:06                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 14:37                       ` [linux-usb-devel] " David Brownell
2007-08-03 15:03                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 16:08                           ` Oliver Neukum [this message]
2007-08-03 17:49                             ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 20:03                             ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 16:29                           ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 16:50                             ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 17:49                             ` Greg KH
2007-08-03 17:44                   ` Greg KH
2007-08-03 17:48                     ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 19:29                       ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-03 19:56                         ` Pete Zaitcev
2007-08-07  9:14                           ` Amit Kucheria
2007-08-03 20:12                     ` [linux-usb-devel] " Dave Jones
2007-08-03 21:17                       ` Alan Stern
2007-08-03 21:31                         ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 21:33                         ` Matthew Garrett
2007-08-03 12:34                 ` Felipe Balbi
2007-08-03  6:06     ` David Brownell
2007-08-03 14:22       ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 14:52         ` David Brownell
2007-08-03  7:57     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 14:24       ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 14:32         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-08-03 14:36           ` [linux-usb-devel] [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by?default " Dave Jones
2007-08-03 19:34         ` [linux-usb-devel] [PATCH] USB: Only enable autosuspend by default " Pete Zaitcev
2007-08-03 19:45           ` Dave Jones
2007-08-03 20:04             ` Pete Zaitcev

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