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From: Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <hmh@hmh.eng.br>
To: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
Cc: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	Michael Sedkowski <sedmich@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-ide@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Disk spin down issue on shut down/suspend to disk
Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 01:06:07 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070808040607.GA16466@khazad-dum.debian.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46B90AE0.2070403@shaw.ca>

On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Robert Hancock wrote:
>> You *do* have to worry about it in any box you turn off daily.  Desktop
>> HDs will croak fast in that scenario, laptop HDs less so, but still too
>> fast.  A very good laptop HD can last about 20k emergency unloads (this
>> is a unit that can do about 600k normal unloads in its lifetime).
>> Desktop and server HDs don't even come close to those numbers, last time
>> I checked.
>
> It only matters on hard drives which actually use load-unload heads. Lots
> of desktop/server drives (perhaps some laptop ones as well) still use
> contact start/stop, which doesn't remove the heads from the platters on

I am not so sure about that.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but contact stop in an emergency retract
shakes the head assembly badly as well. It subjects the head assembly to
higher acceleration than a normal seek, and a nasty impulse at impact with
the stopper.  And I very much doubt it is nice to the heads to slide into
the parking zone at high speed and hit the bumper while over it.

Unless I missed something, I don't why an emergency retract would not be as
big a problem as an emergency unload.

Maybe we should hunt down some proper datasheets for drives lacking head
load/unload technology, and check what they say about emergency unloads...

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-08  4:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2007-08-08  0:14           ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08  4:06             ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh [this message]
2007-08-08  4:26               ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08 18:58 Al Boldi
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2007-08-06 23:31           ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-07  6:41             ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 14:28               ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-07 14:37                 ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 14:45               ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 19:23                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07 20:09                   ` Maciej Rutecki
2007-08-07 20:33                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-07 20:41                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-07 21:28                         ` Maciej Rutecki
2007-08-07 22:30                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-08  9:29                           ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-08  2:56                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 12:24                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-09 21:46                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-08  2:54                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 14:08                     ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 14:14                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 14:24                         ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 14:30                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 15:21                           ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 15:35                             ` Mark Lord
2007-08-08 16:20                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-08 17:04                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-08-09 15:06               ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-09 18:47                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-08-08  0:23                 ` Robert Hancock
2007-08-08 12:27                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
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2007-08-11  2:21                   ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-08-06 12:34 Michael Sedkowski
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2007-08-05 21:33 ` Michał sed
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2007-09-08 21:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-09  9:20       ` Maciek Rutecki
2007-09-09 11:35         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06  5:22 ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 14:23   ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-06 14:50     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:01       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-06 15:27         ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 15:32         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 17:03           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 18:21             ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 18:43               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-06 19:40                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-06 19:43                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 22:18                 ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  6:56                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07  9:18                     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-07  9:31                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 12:56                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07  9:30                     ` Michael Sedkowski
2007-08-06 23:45                 ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07  6:53                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 12:51                     ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07 13:04                       ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 13:35                         ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:09                       ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:16                         ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2007-08-07 13:32                           ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-07 13:45                             ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-07 14:01                               ` Tejun Heo
2007-08-09 15:16                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-09 15:56                                   ` Thomas Renninger
2007-08-06 19:25               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 21:37 Michał sed

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