From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: andrea@suse.de, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Badari Pulavarty <pbadari@gmail.com>,
Maxim Levitsky <maximlevitsky@gmail.com>,
Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@gmail.com>,
swin wang <wangswin@gmail.com>,
totty.lu@gmail.com, hugh@veritas.com, joern@lazybastard.org
Subject: Re: [00/41] Large Blocksize Support V7 (adds memmap support)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:17:51 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200709111517.52520.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0709111256250.25781@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>
On Wednesday 12 September 2007 06:01, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Sep 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:
> > There is a limitation in the VM. Fragmentation. You keep saying this
> > is a solved issue and just assuming you'll be able to fix any cases
> > that come up as they happen.
> >
> > I still don't get the feeling you realise that there is a fundamental
> > fragmentation issue that is unsolvable with Mel's approach.
>
> Well my problem first of all is that you did not read the full message. It
> discusses that later and provides page pools to address the issue.
>
> Secondly you keep FUDding people with lots of theoretical concerns
> assuming Mel's approaches must fail. If there is an issue (I guess there
> must be right?) then please give us a concrete case of a failure that we
> can work against.
And BTW, before you accuse me of FUD, I'm actually talking about the
fragmentation issues on which Mel I think mostly agrees with me at this
point.
Also have you really a rational reason why we should just up and accept
all these big changes happening just because that, while there are lots
of theoretical issues, the person pointing them out to you hasn't happened
to give you a concrete failure case. Oh, and the actual performance
benefit is actually not really even quantified yet, crappy hardware not
withstanding, and neither has a proper evaluation of the alternatives.
So... would you drive over a bridge if the engineer had this mindset?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-09-11 20:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-09-11 6:03 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-10 18:52 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 12:05 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-11 20:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 12:12 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-10 21:13 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 16:02 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-11 20:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 20:29 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-11 20:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 23:26 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-12 0:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-12 8:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-15 8:44 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-15 12:14 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-15 15:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-15 20:14 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-15 22:30 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 13:54 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 15:08 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 21:08 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 22:48 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-17 9:30 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 17:46 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 18:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-16 18:21 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 18:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-16 22:51 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-23 17:44 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 22:06 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 22:40 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 18:15 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 18:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 20:54 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 21:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-17 10:13 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-23 5:50 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 22:56 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-18 19:31 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-23 6:56 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-24 15:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-16 18:13 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 9:03 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 22:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18 0:11 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 20:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18 10:00 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-18 10:49 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-18 12:31 ` David Chinner
2007-09-16 21:58 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-17 10:03 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-23 6:22 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-24 12:32 ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-16 17:53 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-16 21:31 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-17 22:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 15:36 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11 1:44 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 20:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 4:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 20:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 5:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:41 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 18:07 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 23:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 20:51 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-14 17:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-16 8:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 22:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18 0:10 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 20:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-17 11:10 ` Bernd Schmidt
2007-09-17 22:10 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-14 16:10 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-14 17:42 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-15 0:31 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 21:16 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-16 22:38 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-17 8:57 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-23 6:49 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-11 20:53 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11 6:00 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:48 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:17 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 0:00 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-12 2:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 23:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 9:40 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-14 2:38 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-13 21:20 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-14 18:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-14 18:15 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-15 0:33 ` Goswin von Brederlow
2007-09-16 8:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 22:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-18 1:16 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 18:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-18 17:53 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-18 19:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-18 19:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19 0:58 ` Nathan Scott
2007-09-19 1:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19 2:45 ` Nathan Scott
2007-09-19 5:09 ` David Chinner
2007-09-19 9:41 ` Alex Tomas
2007-09-19 14:04 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-20 1:38 ` David Chinner
2007-09-20 14:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-20 18:11 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-20 18:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-21 20:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-09-24 21:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-28 2:46 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-19 3:41 ` Rene Herman
2007-09-19 3:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19 4:26 ` Rene Herman
2007-09-19 4:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-09-19 4:56 ` Rene Herman
2007-09-11 21:54 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-12 14:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-09-12 1:49 ` David Chinner
2007-09-11 15:27 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-13 1:49 ` David Chinner
2007-09-12 17:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-13 13:03 ` David Chinner
2007-09-13 2:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-13 20:48 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-17 4:07 ` David Chinner
2007-09-16 21:13 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-12 2:01 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:35 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 16:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-11 18:31 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11 2:26 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 18:25 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-09-11 3:05 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 21:03 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11 19:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-09-11 20:19 ` Jörn Engel
2007-09-11 20:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 20:01 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 4:43 ` Nick Piggin
2007-09-11 5:17 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-09-11 21:27 ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [01/41] Pagecache zeroing: zero_user_segment, zero_user_segments and zero_user Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [02/41] Define functions for page cache handling Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [03/41] Use page_cache_xxx functions in mm/filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [04/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/page-writeback.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [05/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/truncate.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [06/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/rmap.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [07/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/filemap_xip.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [08/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/migrate.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:03 ` [09/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/libfs.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [10/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/sync Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [11/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/buffer.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [12/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/mpage.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [13/41] Use page_cache_xxx in mm/fadvise.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [14/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/splice.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [15/41] Use page_cache_xxx in ext2 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [16/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/ext3 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [17/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/ext4 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [18/41] Use page_cache_xxx in fs/reiserfs Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [19/41] Use page_cache_xxx for fs/xfs Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [20/41] Use page_cache_xxx in drivers/block/rd.c Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [21/41] compound pages: Better PageHead/PageTail handling Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [22/41] compound pages: Add new support functions Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [23/41] compound pages: vmstat support Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [24/41] compound pages: Use new compound vmstat functions in SLUB Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [25/41] compound pages: Allow use of get_page_unless_zero with compound pages Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [26/41] compound pages: Allow freeing of compound pages via pagevec Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [27/41] Large page order operations, zeroing and flushing Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [28/41] Futex: Fix PAGE SIZE assumption Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [29/41] Fix up reclaim counters Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [30/41] Add VM_BUG_ONs to check for correct page order Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [31/41] Large Blocksize: Core piece Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [32/41] Readahead changes to support large blocksize Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [33/41] Large blocksize support in ramfs Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [34/41] Large blocksize support for XFS Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [35/41] Reiserfs: Fix up mapping_set_gfp_mask() Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [36/41] 64k block size support for Ext2/3/4 Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [37/41] ext2: fix rec_len overflow for 64KB block size Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [38/41] ext3: fix rec_len overflow with " Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [39/41] ext4: fix rec_len overflow for " Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [40/41] Do not use f_mapping in simple_prepare_write() Christoph Lameter
2007-09-11 6:04 ` [41/41] Mmap support using pte PAGE_SIZE mappings Christoph Lameter
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