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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
Cc: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>,
	Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>,
	nigel@suspend2.net,
	Kexec Mailing List <kexec@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	huang ying <huang.ying.caritas@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/2 -mm] kexec based hibernation -v3: kexec jump
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:15:25 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200709212215.26978.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.0709211540100.5816-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org>

On Friday, 21 September 2007 21:45, Alan Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Sep 2007, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> 
> > > > Well, the problem is that apparently some systems (eg. my HP nx6325) expect us
> > > > to execute the _PTS ACPI global control method before creating the image _and_
> > > > to execute acpi_enter_sleep_state(ACPI_STATE_S4) in order to finally put the
> > > > system into the sleep state.  In particular, on nx6325, if we don't do that,
> > > > then after the restore the status of the AC power will not be reported
> > > > correctly (and if you replace the battery while in the sleep state, the
> > > > battery status will not be updated correctly after the restore).  Similar
> > > > issues have been reported for other machines.
> > > 
> > > Suppose that instead of using ACPI S4 state at all, you instead just
> > > power off.  Yes, you'll lose wakeup event functionality, and flashy
> > > LEDs, but doesn't this take care of the problem?
> > 
> > Nope.
> > 
> > > The firmware shouldn't see the hibernate as anything other than a shutdown
> > > and reboot.
> > 
> > Actually, this assumption is apparently wrong.
> 
> One gets the impression that the hibernation image includes a memory 
> area used by the firmware.  That could explain why devices need to be 
> in a low-power state when the image is created -- so that when the 
> image is restored, the firmware doesn't get confused about the device 
> states.
> 
> It would also explain why the firmware sees
> resume-from-power-off-hibernation as different from a regular reboot:
> because its data area gets overwritten as part of the resume.
> 
> In reality it's probably more complicated than this, with weird 
> interactions between the firmware and the various ACPI methods.  
> Nevertheless, the main idea seems valid.

I guess so, but I'm not sure.

The ACPI NVS area is explicitly marked as reserved and we don't save it.
On x86_64 we don't save any memory areas marked as reserved and yet the above
happens.

Greetings,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-21 20:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-20  5:34 Huang, Ying
2007-09-20 10:09 ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-21  0:24   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21  1:06     ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-21  1:19       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21  1:41         ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-21  1:57           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21  2:18             ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-21  2:25               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21  2:45                 ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-21  2:58                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21  4:46                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21  9:45                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-26 20:30                         ` Joseph Fannin
2007-09-26 20:52                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-27  6:33                           ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-27  6:35                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-22 22:02                   ` Alon Bar-Lev
2007-09-21  3:33             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21 12:09               ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 13:14                 ` huang ying
2007-09-21 14:31                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 15:02                     ` huang ying
2007-09-21 15:50                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 18:11                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 19:00                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 19:45                         ` Alan Stern
2007-09-21 20:15                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2007-09-21 20:26                             ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 20:53                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 21:08                                 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 21:25                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 21:16                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-09-21 23:19                                       ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-21 23:47                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-22 10:40                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-10-11 20:54                                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-10-24 20:38                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-22 10:34                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-22 18:00                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2007-09-22 21:51                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-26 20:52                                               ` Joseph Fannin
2007-09-21  4:16             ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-21 11:56           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 11:58             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 12:18               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21 12:15                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-09-21 13:25             ` huang ying
2007-09-24 17:37       ` Thomas Meyer
2007-09-21  9:49     ` Pavel Machek
2007-09-21 12:10       ` [linux-pm] " Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-09-21  2:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21  7:27   ` Huang, Ying
2007-09-21  4:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-09-21  8:42   ` Huang, Ying

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