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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"George G. Davis" <gdavis@mvista.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC, PATCH] locks: remove posix deadlock detection
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:06:04 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071029080604.508b19ce@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20071028174321.GB16905@fieldses.org>

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007 13:43:21 -0400
"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org> wrote:

> From: J. Bruce Fields <bfields@citi.umich.edu>
> 
> We currently attempt to return -EDEALK to blocking fcntl() file locking
> requests that would create a cycle in the graph of tasks waiting on
> locks.
> 
> This is inefficient: in the general case it requires us determining
> whether we're adding a cycle to an arbitrary directed acyclic graph.
> And this calculation has to be performed while holding a lock (currently
> the BKL) that prevents that graph from changing.
> 
> It has historically been a source of bugs; most recently it was noticed
> that it could loop indefinitely while holding the BKL.
> 
> It seems unlikely to be useful to applications:
> 	- The difficulty of implementation has kept standards from
> 	  requiring it.  (E.g. SUSv3 : "Since implementation of full
> 	  deadlock detection is not always feasible, the [EDEADLK] error
> 	  was made optional.")  So portable applications may not be able to
> 	  depend on it.
> 	- It only detects deadlocks that involve nothing but local posix
> 	  file locks; deadlocks involving network filesystems or other kinds
> 	  of locks or resources are missed.
> 
> It therefore seems best to remove deadlock detection.
> 
> Signed-off-by: J. Bruce Fields <bfields@citi.umich.edu>


NAK. This is an ABI change and one that was rejected before when this was
last discussed in detail. Moving it out of BKL makes a ton of sense, even
adding a "don't check" flag makes a lot of sense. Removing the checking
does not.

I'd much rather see


	if (flags & FL_NODLCHECK)
		posix_deadlock_detect(....)


The failure case for removing this feature is obscure and hard to debug
application hangs for the afflicted programs - not nice for users at all.

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-29  8:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-17 18:51 [RFC][PATCH] Fix hang in posix_locks_deadlock() George G. Davis
2007-10-17 23:41 ` George G. Davis
2007-10-18 18:57 ` George G. Davis
2007-10-26 17:07   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-26 22:47     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 17:31       ` [PATCH] locks: fix possible infinite loop in posix deadlock detection J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 17:43         ` [RFC, PATCH] locks: remove " J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 18:27           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 18:40             ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 20:11               ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 21:38                 ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 21:45                   ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-28 23:38                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 23:44                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 21:50                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-28 22:41                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 22:48                     ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 22:55                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-28 23:38                         ` Alan Cox
2007-10-29  2:29                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-29  8:08                             ` Alan Cox
2007-10-29  9:15                             ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-30 15:35                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-28 22:55                     ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-28 23:31                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-10-29  9:11                         ` Jiri Kosina
2007-10-29  2:10                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-29  3:26                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-10-29  1:13               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-29  8:06           ` Alan Cox [this message]
2007-10-30 15:51             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-30 15:20         ` [PATCH, RESEND] locks: fix possible infinite loop in " J. Bruce Fields
2007-10-30 15:35           ` Alan Cox
2007-10-28 17:47       ` [RFC][PATCH] Fix hang in posix_locks_deadlock() J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-02 15:05     ` George G. Davis

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