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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Florian Fainelli <florian.fainelli@telecomint.eu>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@atmel.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 2.6.24-rc2 1/3] generic gpio -- gpio_chip support
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:08:24 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200711140808.24994.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200711140037.58049.david-b@pacbell.net>

On Wednesday 14 November 2007 19:37, David Brownell wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 November 2007, Nick Piggin wrote:

> > Upstream, all spinlocks prevent preemption.
>
> I chose my wording carefully though.  A preemption point is
> more than just a small region where preemption isn't allowed.
>
> It's one of those where preemption is *INVITED* ...

With CONFIG_PREEMPT upstream, that's exactly the same (unless
you're considering preempt breaking points, which you don't
seem t obe).


> Now, in the RT case, I believe the rationale for inviting
> preemption when dropping a lock is largely related to the
> way priority inversion is handled.  When lock contention can
> block higher priority activities, dropping the lock must
> be able to trigger the relevant activity switch.

There is no specific inviting of preemption. The locks are
preemptible -- they can be preempted even while being *held*


> ... and the raw spinlocks don't support that machinery,
> while "normal" spinlocks become inversion-aware mutexes.
>
> > But these ones
> > are raw locks rather than normal locks probably because that
> > they are trivially an innermost and correct lock.
>
> As in the $SUBJECT case, I'd say.
>
> Although another point is related to "trivial":  the data
> is being protected through an operation too trivial to be
> worth paying for any of that priority logic.

A driver shouldn't get to decide that, IMO. And if there is
some policy in the -rt tree allowing these decisions, then
it's exactly the kind of thing we don't want upsream.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-14  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-09 19:36 David Brownell
2007-11-12 21:36 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-12 22:32   ` David Brownell
2007-11-12 23:28     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13  1:26       ` David Brownell
2007-11-13  9:34         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 19:22           ` David Brownell
2007-11-13 12:25             ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14  8:20               ` David Brownell
2007-11-13 21:18                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-15  6:28                   ` David Brownell
2007-11-14 18:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-15  8:17                       ` David Brownell
2007-11-14 19:19                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 19:21                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-13 20:46             ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  6:52               ` David Brownell
2007-11-13 19:45                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14  8:37                   ` David Brownell
2007-11-13 21:08                     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-11-15  6:23                       ` David Brownell
2007-11-14  9:54                     ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-11-15  6:50                       ` David Brownell
2007-11-15  8:43                         ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-11-14  9:59             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 12:14         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15  7:02           ` David Brownell
2007-11-15  7:32             ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-15  8:20               ` David Brownell
2007-11-15  8:51                 ` Haavard Skinnemoen
2007-11-15 18:55                   ` David Brownell
2007-11-15  7:17           ` David Brownell
2007-11-15  7:35             ` Thomas Gleixner

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