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From: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	hbabu@us.ibm.com, vgoyal@in.ibm.com, kexec@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kexec: force x86_64 arches to boot kdump kernels on boot cpu
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:34:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071127153444.GD31376@hmsreliant.think-freely.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1lk8jka8j.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 07:56:44AM -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de> writes:
> 
> > his is any less reliable that what we have currently.
> >> 
> >> It doesn't make things more reliable, and it adds code to a code path
> >> that already has to much code to be solid reliable (thus your
> >> problem). 
> >> 
> >> Putting the system back in PIC legacy mode on the kexec on panic path
> >> was supposed to be a short term hack until we could remove the need
> >> by always deliver interrupts in apic mode.
> >> 
> >> If you can't root cause your problem and figure out how the apics
> >> are misconfigured for legacy mode
> >
> > Probably legacy mode always routes to CPU #0. Makes sense and is
> > not really a misconfiguration of legacy mode.
> 
> Possible. So far I have not seen a hardware setup that would force
> interrupts to cpu #0 in legacy mode.  But I would not be truly
> surprised if it happened that there was hardware that only worked that
> way.
> 

That would certainly explain the behavior I am observing here.\

> > But if CPU #0 has interrupts disabled no interrupts get delivered.
> >
> > So choices are:
> > - Move to CPU #0
> > - Do not use legacy mode during shutdown.
>     (Do not use legacy mode in the kdump kernel. removing it from shutdown
>      is just minor optimization)
> > - Or do not rely on interrupts after enabling legacy mode
> > - Or do not disable interrupts on the other CPUs when they're
> > halted.
> >
> > First and last option are probably unreliable for the kdump case.
> > Second or third sound best. 
> >
> > I suspect the real fix would be to enable IOAPIC mode really
> > early and never use the timers in legacy mode. Then the kdump
> > kernel wouldn't care about the legacy mode pointing to the wrong CPU.
> 
> Exactly.  If we can work out the details that should be a much more reliable
> mode of operation.
> 
> > IIrc Eric even had  a patch for that a long time ago, but it broke some 
> > things so it wasn't included. But perhaps it should be revisited.
> 
> My real problem was the failure case was obscure (a bad interaction
> with ACPI on Linus's laptop) and I didn't have the time to track it
> down when it showed up.
> 
> My patch had two parts.  Some cleanups to enable the code to be enabled
> early, and the actually early enable.  I figure if we can get the
> cleanups in one major kernel version and then in the next enable
> the apic mode before we start getting interrupts we should be in good
> shape.
> 
> I expect with x86 becoming an embedded platform with multiple cpus we
> may start seeing systems that don't actually support legacy PIC mode
> for interrupt delivery.
do you have a pointer to the old patch set?  I'd like to try it out on the failing system here.

Regards
Neil

> 
> Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-27 15:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-27  1:47 Neil Horman
2007-11-27  4:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:13   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:28     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:45       ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:28         ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 14:43           ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 14:48             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 15:24               ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 15:30               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 16:45                 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 20:50                 ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 21:05                   ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 22:38                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 23:15                       ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-28  0:15                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 23:40                       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28  0:43                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 15:54                     ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 14:56         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 15:34           ` Neil Horman [this message]
2007-11-27 18:41           ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 19:42             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 20:00               ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-27 20:52                 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 22:24                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 23:24                   ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-27 23:56                     ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-28 15:36                     ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-28 16:02                       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 17:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 18:16                           ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 19:05                         ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-28 19:42                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-28 21:09                             ` Neil Horman
2007-11-28 23:27                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-30  2:16                             ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-30  2:54                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-30  8:59                                 ` Yinghai Lu
2007-11-30 14:35                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-30 14:32                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-11-30  2:12                           ` Ben Woodard
2007-11-30 14:42                             ` Vivek Goyal
2007-11-30 14:51                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-06 21:39                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-06 22:11                                   ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07  0:10                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 14:39                                       ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07 14:53                                         ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 15:16                                           ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-07 15:53                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 18:46                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07  0:33                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07  2:04                                       ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07  8:50                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-07  9:22                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-07 14:21                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 17:58                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 19:19                                               ` yhlu
2007-12-07 20:13                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-10 15:39                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-10 16:20                                                 ` Vivek Goyal
2007-12-11  1:17                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  1:08                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  3:43                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11  4:48                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11  6:31                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 14:39                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 15:29                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11 18:00                                                         ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 18:29                                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 18:45                                                             ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 18:22                                                         ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 18:46                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-11 19:24                                                             ` Neil Horman
2007-12-11 19:51                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-11 20:59                                                                 ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12  0:16                                                                   ` Ben Woodard
2007-12-12  0:52                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12  1:07                                                                       ` Yinghai Lu
2007-12-12  8:43                                                                   ` [PATCH] k8: Enable legacy irqs with extended cpu ids Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 14:21                                                                   ` [PATCH] kexec: force x86_64 arches to boot kdump kernels on boot cpu Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 15:55                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12 16:07                                                                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-12 19:43                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-12 20:22                                                                           ` Neil Horman
2007-12-12 21:32                                                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-13 14:39                                                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-12-13 15:16                                                                                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-12-13 15:32                                                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-17 11:38                                                                                     ` Neil Horman
2007-12-18  0:13                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-17 15:16                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 15:47                                                                                   ` Neil Horman
2007-12-07 18:36                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-12-07 18:48                                               ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 13:53       ` Neil Horman
2007-11-27 10:55 ` Andi Kleen
2007-11-27 11:19   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-11-27 13:28   ` Neil Horman

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