From: "Jörn Engel" <joern@logfs.org>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Pekka J Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] greatly reduce SLOB external fragmentation
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:25:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080110212519.GA29847@lazybastard.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1199987366.5331.92.camel@cinder.waste.org>
On Thu, 10 January 2008 11:49:25 -0600, Matt Mackall wrote:
>
> b) grouping objects of the same -type- (not size) together should mean
> they have similar lifetimes and thereby keep fragmentation low
>
> (b) is known to be false, you just have to look at our dcache and icache
> pinning.
(b) is half-true, actually. The grouping by lifetime makes a lot of
sense. LogFS has a similar problem to slabs (only full segments are
useful, a single object can pin the segment). And when I grouped my
objects very roughly by their life expectency, the impact was *HUGE*!
In both cases, you want slabs/segments that are either close to 100%
full or close to 0% full. It matters a lot when you have to move
objects around and I would bet it matters even more when you cannot move
objects and the slab just remains pinned.
So just because the type alone is a relatively bad heuristic for life
expectency does not make the concept false. Bonwick was onto something.
He just failed in picking a good heuristic. Quite likely spreading by
type was even a bonus when slab was developed, because even such a crude
heuristic is slightly better than completely randomized lifetimes.
I've been meaning to split the dentry cache into 2-3 seperate ones for a
while and kept spending my time elsewhere. But I remain convinced that
this will make a measurable difference.
Jörn
--
Never argue with idiots - first they drag you down to their level,
then they beat you with experience.
-- unknown
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-01-10 21:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-02 18:43 [PATCH] procfs: provide slub's /proc/slabinfo Hugh Dickins
2008-01-02 18:53 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-02 19:09 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-01-02 19:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-02 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-02 19:49 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-01-02 22:50 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-03 8:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-03 16:46 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-04 2:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-04 2:45 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-04 4:34 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-04 9:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-04 20:37 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-04 4:11 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-04 20:34 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-04 20:55 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-04 21:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-04 22:30 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-05 20:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-05 16:21 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-05 17:14 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-05 20:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-07 20:12 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-06 17:51 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-07 18:06 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-07 19:03 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-07 19:53 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-07 20:44 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-10 10:04 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-09 19:15 ` [RFC PATCH] greatly reduce SLOB external fragmentation Matt Mackall
2008-01-09 22:43 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-09 22:59 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 10:02 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-10 10:54 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-10 15:44 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 16:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-10 17:49 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-10 18:42 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 19:24 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:44 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 19:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-10 19:46 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:53 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-10 19:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:16 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 19:23 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 19:31 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 21:25 ` Jörn Engel [this message]
2008-01-10 18:13 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-30 21:51 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-07-30 22:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-30 22:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2008-07-30 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-07-31 0:42 ` malc
2008-07-31 1:03 ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-31 1:09 ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-31 14:11 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-31 15:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-31 16:03 ` Andi Kleen
2008-07-31 16:05 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-31 14:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-07-31 15:38 ` Matt Mackall
2008-07-31 15:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-10 2:46 ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-10 10:03 ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-01-03 20:31 ` [PATCH] procfs: provide slub's /proc/slabinfo Christoph Lameter
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