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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: David Newall <davidn@davidnewall.com>
Cc: "David P. Reed" <dpreed@reed.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Rene Herman <rene.herman@keyaccess.nl>,
	Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Christer Weinigel <christer@weinigel.se>,
	Ondrej Zary <linux@rainbow-software.org>,
	Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Paul Rolland <rol@as2917.net>, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rol <rol@witbe.net>
Subject: Re: [linux-kernel] Re: [PATCH] x86: provide a DMI based port 0x80 I/O delay override.
Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:51:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080117155107.248e43e2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <478F59CC.8050907@davidnewall.com>

> In the early days of clone PCs, as you know but perhaps many on this
> list might not, the bus speed could be changed, but this was
> user-selectable.  For such a machine, delay values can be pre-calculated
> for each bus speed, and a kernel parameter set accordingly.  Or are you
> saying that the characteristics of the bus on a given machine vary for
> reasons other than user selection?

They vary based on the CPU clock, the dividers from PCI to ISA on PCI
based boxes, and on the ISA only ones often on the CPU speed.

Unfortunately the way you control that divider or read it is chipset
specific. Nor would it be reasonable to expect the end user to set it.

For PC/104 systems the same applies today.

> The question is, for a given machine, can we determine a delay value
> instead of using a junk I/O?

The question (for ISA peripherals) is "why bother", and with the 8390
patch there are one or two dubious PCI driver users of _p left but not
much else that isn't ISA or chipset logic. The question for chipset logic
where it has become integrated is "can we get rid of it for some devices,
if not what can we use instead"

Alan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-17 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-01-07 19:38                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 19:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:02                           ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:10                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 22:27                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-07 22:59                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-07 23:24                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-07 23:26                                     ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08  0:10                                       ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08  0:13                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-08  1:38                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 17:10                                             ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 17:24                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 17:38                                                 ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-08 18:44                                                   ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 18:51                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 19:15                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 19:23                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 19:51                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-09  2:52                                                         ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09  5:19                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 21:53                                                             ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09 22:22                                                               ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11  1:36                                                                 ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-11  3:05                                                                   ` Rene Herman
2008-01-11 14:35                                                                     ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11 14:37                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-11 15:07                                                                         ` David P. Reed
2008-01-11 17:54                                                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-11 14:49                                                                       ` Rene Herman
2008-01-14 21:57                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2008-01-14 22:22                                                                         ` David P. Reed
2008-01-16 14:36                                                                           ` David Newall
2008-01-16 14:55                                                                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-16 19:15                                                                               ` David Newall
2008-01-16 20:08                                                                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17  6:25                                                                                   ` David Newall
2008-01-17 12:02                                                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-17 13:36                                                                                       ` David Newall
2008-01-17 13:55                                                                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-17 21:58                                                                                           ` David Newall
2008-01-17 22:13                                                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-18 13:37                                                                                               ` David Newall
2008-01-18 14:05                                                                                                 ` Rene Herman
2008-01-17 15:51                                                                                         ` Alan Cox [this message]
2008-01-09  5:30                                                           ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-09 14:42                                                             ` David P. Reed
2008-01-09 15:27                                                             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-09 18:17                                                               ` Zachary Amsden
2008-01-09 18:18                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 20:26                                                                   ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-09 21:59                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-09 18:22                                                                 ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-09 18:27                                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-01-08 19:25                                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-08 20:28                                                       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 21:43                                                         ` Christer Weinigel
2008-01-08 22:24                                                           ` David P. Reed
2008-01-08 18:51                                                   ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 19:13                                                     ` Ondrej Zary
2008-01-09 21:01                                         ` Matthieu castet
2008-01-08 12:51                                       ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 13:07                                         ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08 14:37                                           ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 14:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2008-01-08 14:31                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:57                                     ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-08  1:58                                       ` Alan Cox
2008-01-07 23:25                             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08 13:17                               ` Bodo Eggert
2008-01-08 14:38                                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-08  3:15                         ` Christer Weinigel
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2008-01-10  0:37           ` [linux-kernel] " Robert Hancock
2008-01-10  0:44             ` Rene Herman
2008-01-10 14:41               ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 13:02 Rene Herman
2007-12-17 17:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-12-17 19:43   ` David P. Reed
2007-12-17 21:25     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 15:59       ` David P. Reed
2008-01-01 16:15         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 16:43           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 17:32             ` Alan Cox
2008-01-01 18:45               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-01 21:07                 ` Alan Cox
2008-01-02 10:04                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-02 13:11                     ` [linux-kernel] " David P. Reed
2008-01-02 13:21                       ` Ingo Molnar

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