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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: Tomasz Chmielewski <mangoo@wpkg.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: PROBLEM: Celeron Core
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 23:26:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200801202326.37030.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4793C5CA.5060100@wpkg.org>

On Sunday, 20 of January 2008, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
> >> Clock throttling is not likely to save your battery, unless you have 
> >> tasks that are running at 100% CPU for an unlimited time or something, 
> >> and you force your CPU to throttle. Normally most people have tasks that 
> >> run and then the CPU idles - loading an email, displaying a web page, 
> >> etc. Clock throttling will just make these tasks utilize the CPU for a 
> >> longer time proportional to the amount clock throttling and therefore 
> >> negate any gains in battery usage.
> 
> Aren't you forgetting about CPUfreq governors? Which mean: use the 
> maximum CPU frequency when the system is busy, throttle down (or lower 
> voltage) when the system is idle.
> 
> So yes, throttling will save the battery.

In the relevant documentation "throttling" usually means "the reduction of the
frequency of a CPU that is not idle" in which case it won't (at least on the
average).
 
> Besides, not all CPUs support power management (voltage control).
> 
> 
> > IMO clock throttling (as opposed to the reduction of the frequency of an idle
> > CPU) is only useful for preventing the CPU from overheating.
> 
> And for reducing power on CPUs that can't do any power management, just 
> throttling.
> 
> For example, a server that doesn't crunch any numbers at night will 
> certainly use less power when throttled.

You can't use less power, you only can use less energy. :-)

Anyway, that's "the reduction of the frequency of an idle CPU" mentioned above
and it makes sense in the majority of cases.

Greetings,
Rafael

  reply	other threads:[~2008-01-20 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-20 22:06 Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-01-20 22:26 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2008-01-21 10:11 ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found] <fa.tHyDHqRNYFvp4N4SR4JtJRuqh0k@ifi.uio.no>
2008-01-21 23:59 ` Robert Hancock
     [not found] <fa.2Y+LplM9PCtpiAXzv/aJ3Pcnv4Y@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.OpXJDCw416yeXEvt0cwrupi/qS0@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.sj34KNXkf9z/ZO3fVJ+CYcgcuCs@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]     ` <fa.qpK4b5H7lkLeIaPtbJKzKV46yFY@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]       ` <fa.WeBRuL3UPPVPESVzfopvVyNcAw4@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]         ` <fa.LZLUxfR64dAZFPtin9JNet7ieiY@ifi.uio.no>
2008-01-20 18:24           ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-20 19:14             ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-20 19:24               ` Robert Hancock
2008-01-20 21:31                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-01-21  7:48               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-01-20 19:16             ` Andi Kleen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-01-18 19:06 Chodorenko Michail
2008-01-18 21:11 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-19  0:27   ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-19  1:15     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-19  4:10       ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-19  4:27         ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-19  4:40           ` Matt Mackall
2008-01-19  4:54             ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-20  4:35               ` David Newall
2008-01-20  5:13                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-20  5:23                   ` David Newall
2008-01-20  5:42                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-01-20 20:53                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-01-20 11:18           ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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